I do not like Hillary because she is conniving and hateful and is a conmfirmed liar. She states he has expereice but her only expericnes is being the alter ego of an asshole

Single-Payer Health Care. That's lefty-code for Socialized Medicine.

She wants to take your guns away, too. Oh yeah, and raise your taxes.

Hillary Clinton wants to lead the United States down the road to socialism. Her "for the common good" remark sums up her goal. Her "village" is nothing more than a nannyist government.

I agree. Virtually everything this woman espouses is socialistic in nature. She doesn't want to be President. She wants to be the nation's nanny. She and her cohorts, and only they, know what's good for each and every individual. And if you don't fit their idea of what that "individual" should be/act like, then they will MAKE you fit their mold or cast you aside.

Other than that there is a distinct lack of ethics in the woman's (and her husband's) actions from Arkansas right through the White House and into NY State. It is truely amazing to me that she has gotten such support from the news media. If she were a Republican, she would have been hounded out of sight by now.

I think she is a committed Marxist, and Marxism has been proven to be very bad for people.

Every country that has had Marxists take power has seen--in one form or another-- re-education camps, gulags, killing fields, and midnight knocks on the door.

And all of them thought, "That can't happen here."

probably the best liberal-friendly argument against hillary comes from maureen dowd. i can't for the life of me find it online, but there's a famous column she wrote back in the day about how hillary single-handedly destroyed feminism in america. basically, after years and years of standing up for the victims of sexual assault(whether real or not) and condemning abusive men, hillary (and the rest of the dems) took bill's side and did everything she could to slander and ruin the reputations of the many women he had harrassed and abused. in other words, being a Democrat and being in power trumped being a feminist, and feminism has never recovered.

see also, more recently, dowd's cutting compliment here:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2007/07/most-people-are-not-worried-about.html

but there is no question that she's the only remotely viable candidate among the dems (which says a lot more about the other dems than about her). as i wrote on my blog a while back, she's the only one with the balls to bomb something, even if only to distract from her latest scandal. and i'm very pro-bombing things.

p.s. didja see the latest news on Edwards? how he complained about his sore butt and even got butt cream to reduce the swelling? i'm not saying anything, but you know what i'm thinking...
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070725/NEWS/70725054/1001

I'd make the argument that Hillary Clinton is unfit to be President, but not because she did not have the intelligence, discipline, decisiveness, or other skills necessary to hold the office. I'm willing to stipulate she may have the capacity to pull of a Democrat version of Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, Indira Ghandi, or Golda Mier.

She is possibly the smarter of the two in the Clinton marriage, and she certianly has a better reputation for being the one who can maintain the discipline necessary to campaign and govern. Bill probably owes as much of his own election to her as anyone else on his campaign staff.No reason not to acknowledge one's oppnent's strong points.

But I would argue she's unfit to be President on two general grounds: I disagree with her too much over politics, and I don't trust her.

Since politics is the business of picking different political policies over others, you'll have to make up your own mind on those (and good luck persuading anybody else over them), spend the time on Google, or just ask more specific policy questions, and I'll see what I can do about making an argument one way or another on them.

That leaves trust. During Bill Clinton's administration one of her functions was to serve as the liason between the further left elements on the Democratic side of the aisle. Bill played the DLC 'new Democrat' moderate, practical, business-friendly, etc. She kept the Democratic wing of the Democratic party happy. Which gave her a record of taking all manner of positions she conveniently dropped when she ran for senate, and continues to drop as she positions herself for the general election while the rest of the Dem candidates are busy trying to build support for the primaries.

And now the roles are reversed. Bill is out there keeping the party base happy while Hillary courts the moderates and Independents. which does she truly believe? How would a Hillary presidency differ on those policy questions from a Bill presidency? I have no way of knowing, because I have no way of knowing where she really stands. I'll leave it to others to question her trustworthiness on any number of greater or lesser scandals from Whitewater Billing records, her role in the 90's National Health Care push, etc, etc.

I cannot trust what Hillary says, and the Clinton/Lewinsky affair (take that however you like) provided sufficient evidence alone that she (and Al Gore for that matter) was far more willing to abandon principle to get or hold onto power than she would risk losing power to hold onto principle.

I have a favorite saying, "Arguing principle from convenience is no Principle at all." It is, in short, Bullshit artistry. Assuming you can live with her policy positions, she may be fit to be President; it wouldn't be the first time the office has been held by a Bullshit Artist. But I wouldn't trust her with the job anymore than I would buy a used car from her.

Why I hate Hillary Clinton, in quotes:

“Fairness doesn’t just happen. It requires the right government policies.”

"F**k off! It’s enough that I have to see you shit-kickers every day, I’m not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*damn job and keep your mouth shut."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 90 - Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good morning.")

"You f**king idiot."
(From the book "Crossfire" p. 84 - Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event.)

"If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king ass over here and grab those bags!"
(From the book "The First Partner" p. 259 - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.)

"We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices…. Government has to make those choices for people"
(From the book "I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p 20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)

"I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe"
(Hillary in 1996 From the book "I’ve Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 76 - Hillary in 1996)

And the grand-daddy of them all:

"Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush’s] tax cuts may have helped you. We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We’re going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
(Hillary grandstanding at a fund raising speech in San Francisco; SFGate.com 6/28/2004.)

I don't hate Hillary. I believe she is a long-suffering wife of a womanizer, and so deserves pity. I think that she is also a boring policy wonk, and so deserves snarky comments.

While I don't hate her, I never want her to be President. Why?

* she believes that a small group of smart people are better at making decisions about my life than I am

* she believes that a government program will run my health care better than my local doctor does

* she subscribes to the John Kerry "I-voted-for-it-before-I-voted-against-it" stance on the war in Iraq

* she has produced no policy, directive, idea or goal that does not involve increasing the size, scope and power of the federal government

* she appears to check opinion polls on what her "core values" ought to be...today

In short, she is quite nearly socialist in her thoughts and actions, quite nearly amoral in her ethics, and quite nearly crazy...in general.

mightysamurai:

We’re going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

Yep, that's pretty much straightforward Marxism. I do have to give her credit for having the balls to say it in public.

A friend of mine describes her as "Hugo Chavez in a pantsuit."

Did someone say "for the common good"? Because now she almost sounds like Gerralt Grindelwald, and he was a very bad Dark wizard. Also, she's an even bigger panderer than most politicians -- here's a great example.

Let's see...

1. Guns.

2. Class Warfare Economics

3. Treated her Secret Service detail like shit.

Numero Uno with me is this - this is the "World's Smartest Woman" (cue the Helen Reddy..); one of the top legal minds in the country (at least according to the lefties). Somebody who supposedly makes Madame Currie look like Britney Spears. And yet, when the time came to step up and throw Bill's ass out on the street - to show her daughter that you don't have to take it when hubby (or boyfriend) can't keep it in his pants; that sometimes your dignity and self-respect are worth more than power. She bent over and greased up for all the world to see. Hell, I've seen greasy spoon waitresses (making less money per month than Hillary could bill in a day) either toss some asshole out or take off with the kids - just to keep their self respect.

In my book - Hillary has none.

fete

Mrs. Clinton, has too much of a likening for the levers of power, and once she has them in her grasp, she will be able to implement what she knows would be good for all of us. I feel like among her bad qualities, Mrs. Clinton, would say or do anything, in order to win. Her affected black accent when addressing a black church group earlier this year was insulting. She is one of the senators who were for the war before she was against it. MY own personal bugaboo, she is anti gun. She is a member of that certain leftwing elite who believe that success should be punished, or at least penalized to help our less motivated or less able brethren. And, it is my feeling, that if she were in the white house she would take another stab at some sort of universal health care, which we, the employed would pay for. Her good qualities or quality is, that she has a backbone, I think she could play hard ball with foreign leaders if it was called for, and she beloved it was needed. Well, this is my take on Hillary.

Why we hate Hillary.

1: She is a leaf in the wind; whichever way popular opinion is blowing she follows. IE: NO Principals whatsoever

2: She's a Marxist plain and simple. lipstick on a pig it's still a pig and all that.

3: She thinks we are sheeple and we should all be told what and how to run our lives

4: BEND OVER AND PAY YOU TAXES LIKE A GOOD SLAVE.

5: HIllarycare....

6: Feigning love for SlickWilly through all of his shenanigans. The only reason she and IT are together is for political expediency. He is the reason for the perma-scowl she has on her face.

7: No scruples, ethics or principals that you can say she has had consistently beyond the desire for power

Finally,

Do you REALLY think she -wanted- to be a senator? I mean really wanted it? NO--it was a necessary stepping stone to the White House and she knew she could get the leftoids in NY to vote for her since she knew she wouldn't get elected in Arkansas.

Can you spell socialist?

Riverdog:

Her good qualities or quality is, that she has a backbone, I think she could play hard ball with foreign leaders if it was called for, and she beloved it was needed.

Maybe so; at least I hope she has a good quality.

Unfortunately, I can more readily see her using that backbone against the American people. At least the ones that oppose her.

Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record.
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record.
Rated 89% by the LCV, indicating pro-environment votes
Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record.
Rated 17% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record.
Rated 82% by the NEA, indicating pro-public education votes
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record.
Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record.
Rated 21% by NTU, indicating a "Big Spender" on tax votes

Her position graphs out as an extreme left-liberal.

As per shown by her voting record...

Stongly Favors:
Choice
Same Sex Marriages
Repeal Tax Cuts on Wealthy
Patriot Act is Harmful
US out of Iran
Replace Oil and Gas with Alternatives
Illegals to Citizen Track

Favors:
Government Funding of Health Coverage
Expand Free Trade
Churches to Provide Welfare Services
Strict Limits on Political Fundraising

Opposes:
Death Penalty
Mandatory 3 strikes rules
Teacher-led Prayer in schools

Stongly Opposes:
Privatize Social Security
Gun Ownership
Expanding Armed Forces
Strict anti-Drug enforcement

You can get everything you want to know about all candidates, their voting records, their quotes, and the whole nine yards here...

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

If it walks like a Marxist, talks like a Marxist,, and votes like a Marxist...it's Hillary.

The above criticisms apply to Obama and others, not just Hillary. In terms of policy, everything that Hillary would do, Obama would do as badly or worse.

I think the reason for the attacks on Hillary in particular are firstly, she is more electable than the others and is likely to get the nomination. No point wasting energy demonizing someone who isn't going to be Democratic candidate.

Secondly, she is more politically savvy (i.e. dishonest, cunning and devious). Therefore, she is more likely to actually get to implement leftist policy and also more likely to successfully sidestep blame when things turn to crap.

I'm likely just going to repeat what everyone else here has said. But I'll do it list-style! With numbers! And fancy doo-dads! Like, uh...letters!

1. My *biggest* problem with her is that, as JohnnyC touched on, she has no self-respect. She stayed with Bill after his scandal so that she could look like a martyr and gain public sympathy for her "bravery". Now she's using that sympathy in her bid for president, simpering and whining about things (in an authoritative tone, of course), and expecting people to go, "Oh, well - she stayed with Bill, and she's a strong woman. She's not complaining; she's trying to make a difference!" People compare her to a man, say that she's a traitor to her gender - nope. I disagree. I think she's the best example of a manipulative woman there is. And that's one major reason why I won't vote for her. Ever.

2. Socialist health care? Oh, puh-LEAZE. No, thanks. I'm not letting my taxes go up so that people can have yet another excuse not to get a job. Also, the day I have to get on a waiting list for something like a root canal because my doctor can only do so many a year (oh, and I can't go to another doctor, because my neighborhood will have a delegated medical community), is the day I start yanking my own teeth out.

3. The debates sealed it for me. The simpering and whining I mentioned earlier? She did that at the beginning and end of every question. She was very rarely on-topic, and she played to a different audience every few minutes, it seemed. Her Kerry-esque (yes, I realize a lot of people compare her to Kerry because of this, too, but it's TRUE) flip-flopping on the Iraq issue? Talk about pandering.

4. This is a personal thing, but I HATE HATE HATE the look in her eyes. She looks cold and calculating, even while she's speaking about her "experience" with refugees and battered women. Every word is measured. Every pause timed. Now, I'm not a fan of emotional outbursts from candidates (*cough*howard dean*cough*), but to me that sort of thing proves that they're human. I'd rather have a human being running for office than a machine. And Hilary is a machine.

5. "Hilary is a machine? But what about the health care stuff? The government charity for the poor? How can you call her not human?" Because NO rational human being is that much of a fucking puss. Key word is "rational". Even Ghandi fought, and he was a pacifist. But he had enough sense to know when it was appropriate to speak, and when you had to just sit there and take it, then walk away. Hilary will never learn that there IS such a thing as "too much compassion", otherwise known as being "too politically correct". The sort of thinking she does will seriously fuck us over if she's elected to the presidency. She WILL try to rule Congress and The Senate, and not just metaphorically...and she'll do it all in the name of "compassion". CREEPY, I tell you.

6. She's ugly. Sorry, I had to throw that in there, because you told me not to. :-P What can I say? I'm ornery.

Yeah, I can't disagree with the "smart" part of her. She's definitely not lacking in the IQ department, but I really wonder if she has any common sense. I think the answer is no. Add that to her lack of self-respect and desire to get where Bill was (you can taste it...she REALLY wants to show him what's what), and you get a very dangerous person to have in office. Bush is kind of dumb AND doesn't have much common sense, but at least he's consistent...lol.

mightysamurai and trainer made the best arguments of the lot.

"We’re going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Excuse me? Who the hell are you to take away something my mind, sweat and work gave me. F*ck you. You can have my accomplishments (and my guns) when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

"We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices. Government has to make those choices for people."

Maybe she is correct on this one. She is, after all, Senator Hillary Clinton. Someone had to cast some votes to get her into office. Let her move to the Lone Star state. Let's see how long one of her anti-gun legislations or immigration reform scams would last. She would be working as the mail courier for the janitor by the end of the week.

Another reason to hate Hillary: Look at Hugo Chavez and imagine a bad blonde dye and a husband banging the secretary on the presidential couch.

She's a socialist and she's in favor of nationalized "health"care.

As somebody who has endured, survived and escaped both (and worked for ten years in the latter), that's all I need to know to confirm that she's less fit to be president than a cockroach.

And, I repeat, I have endured, survived, escaped and worked under socialism, so I really don't need any "reasonable" know-nothings from these shores to tell me how they know better than I and how it will all be different here.

Their opinions are the only things that rank lower than the Hildebeest on my list of things worth noticing, because they have no farking clue what the fark they're talking about.

I do. In spades.

'Nuff said.

The only other Democrat who matters in this race is Obama. Why is Hillary worse than he is?

I think Obama has some moral grounding. While I may disagree with his politics, he doesn't seem to rub my face in it as much. He has not yet demonstrated the "values du jour" that Hillary (and even moreso, Bill) made infamous. His liberal tendencies have not yet become steeped in socialism.

In other words, he is "not yet" as bad as she is. Not yet.

Mighty Samuri, I think I love you.

To your list I would add Gary Aldrich's comment from his book "Unlimited Access" that Hillary made people actually jump into other people's offices if they were walking down the hall and saw her coming because you were not permitted to share the hallway space with her.

I can't stand the hypocrisy of her pretending to be so compassionate and caring (remember the "Politics of Meaning" Times magazine article with her all in white, posing as St. Hillary?) while treating those around her, particularly those who are willing to lay down their lives for her, as sub-human peasants.

And speaking of hypocrisy, the disingenuousness of claiming that she managed to turn a $10,000 investment into $100,000 at the expense of the Tyson account "by reading the Wall Street Journal" is beyond belief.

And being a New Yorker, I would add to the list of reasons to despise Shrillary her opportunistic grab for the open New York senate seat before she had even moved the state, which infuriated me. Carpetbagger.

I'll bring up one more thing I haven't seen mentioned here: I think Mrs. Clinton knows what was in Sandy Berger's socks, and I don't think there's any hope that she'll come clean. That would ordinarily disqualify her by itself as far as I'm concerned.

But here's the thing: leave aside partisan interest in the Dems fielding the maximally beatable candidate, and assume for a moment that a Democrat will win in 2008. Which Democrat would make a better leader of the country for four years? Maybe Bill Richardson, but after that . . .

If you read the Harry Potter books...she's Delores Umbridge. 'Nuff said.

All right! Now we are getting somewhere. This is exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to hear about - the direct quotes are the most powerful (thank you MightySamurai). The whole socialism/Marxism/common good thing sticks out to me the most.

Also I remembered something while walking the dogs this morning - isn't there some shenanigans involving Vince Foster? What was that all about? I know Hillary was involved somehow (I suppose this is one thing I could Google easily). Thank you all, you are awesome. Keep the comments coming, I'll be reading them for a while.

She's a commie. And old fashioned, idealistic, holier-than-thou commie.

See above for evidence.

I agree with most of the reasons given already. What honks me off about Mrs. Clinton is that she was raised in the Chicago suburbs but re-cast herself as a New Yorker for purposes of getting a powerful Senate seat. Didn't she say something like "I've always been a Yankees fan"?

Losing and finding the Rose law firm billing records, bad.

The miraculous $100,000 return on a short term investment, bad.

When I hear anything come from Hillary's mouth, I believe that she doesn't think the rules apply to her because she is a so-called public servant who knows what is good for us.

Has the woman ever admitted she was wrong or that she made a mistake when such admission wasn't politically advantageous?

The other posters have brought up good points, so I'll try not to repeat them.

To play with the slogan from her "husband's" 1st campaign for President ...

"It's the Entitlement, Stupid."

That and the voice. I'm surprised she doesn't realize just how monotone and awful her speaking voice is, especially when she is giving a speech. I'm amazed that no one has sent her to a voice coach -- I'm convinced that once people hear her on a regular basis, they simply won't be able to imagine listening to that voice lecturing them for four years.

Hi Rachel, I'm regular reader, first-time poster (I'm lazy like that). Anyway, I thought I'd give my two cents on the Hillary question.

It's true that a lot of conservatives have a visceral loathing for her--much like a lot of people on the Right (myself included, at the time) hated Bill Clinton in the '90s, and the Left has hated Bush for the past 6 1/2 years. That's my first reason not to prefer Hillary--I don't want another 4-8 years of divisive, zero-sum politics.

Unfair? Sure. What about Bush hatred (or Clinton hatred) was fair? Doesn't change the fact that it's not a place I want to revisit. We've already spent 16 years in Punxsutawney--why anyone would want another 8 is beyond me.

For more specific analysis on why there are better options than Hillary, Tom Barnett has an excellent post here:

http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/weblog/2007/07/why_do_i_waver_so.html

Mighty Samuri, I think I love you.

Yes, I seem to have that effect on women.

But I think we should just be friends. These internet romances so rarely work out. :)

Also I remembered something while walking the dogs this morning - isn't there some shenanigans involving Vince Foster? What was that all about?

Vince Foster was a member of the White House staff and a law partner and legal aquaintance of Hillary. He was found dead in Fort Macy Park, just outside DC. There was speculation that Foster was murdered on the orders of one (or both) of the Clintons and dumped in the park as part of a coverup, but I doubt that's what happened.

IMO, Foster shot himself in his office and the Clintons, in an effort to avoid yet another scandal (as I recall, this was at the height of the Whitewater scandal), smuggled his body out and dumped it, hoping people would assume the two incidents were unrelated.

Others have already covered most of it: socialism, dishonesty, pandering, etc.

As to Vince Foster, there was a 30 hour delay releasing his suicide note and inconsistencies in her testimony regarding the delay.

Here's a quick summary (including Vince Foster) of Hillary's lowlights written when the 2004 campaigns were getting started:
DC Line Column

1. All of Bill's baggage and none of his charisma/personal skills.

2. She's an authoritarian. She was a righty authoritarian when she was young. Her exposure to Bill/Yale/the 60s made her a leftist, but she's still an authoritarian.

3. Bill was a DLC/3rd Way Democrat; Hill is a more traditional, more doctrinaire leftist than he is.

4. She wants us to believe that she's a feminist and an advocate for women; to take her seriously enought to give her shot at the most powerful elected office in the world, but she's accomplished nothing - I repeat NOTHING -that Bill's coattails didn't make possible. If she hadn't married him (and stayed married to him through his serial womanizing and harassment of female employees in betrayal of her alleged feminist principles) she'd be an above-average government lawyer somewhere.

Hell, if she'd divorce him I'd actually consider voting for her. (I also feel safe saying that, because it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.)

Reasons why Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton is not suitable for the office of Pesident of the United States:

Whitewater land deals.

cattle futures.

overbilling as a Lawyer for the Rose law firm.

Socialized Medicine.

"values and morals du jour."

Using polls to adapt her policies.

Sandy Berger.

Vince Foster.

Pandering to minorities by adapting their speech patterns.

Her last name is Clinton.

"We’re going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

"We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices… Government has to make those choices for people."

Socialism does not work yet she believes in it's principles.

Anti gun ownwership.

Her rhetoric during her college years.

"We just can’t trust the American people to make those types of choices..." I know I already listed this one but everyone in the US needs to dwell on this little Hilleryism for a few minutes before going into the voting booth.

Thanks for this one sparrow:

"Hillary made people actually jump into other people's offices if they were walking down the hall and saw her coming because you were not permitted to share the hallway space with her."

Maybe this is because (have you ever noticed all her TV shots and pictures are from the waist up) there wasn't enough room left for another person to get by in the hallway because her butt rivals only her ego in breadth?

Since everyone else has covered all of the bases, I can't really add anything about Hillary, so I'll ask another question that's been nagging me. Why do all the liberals want to be called "progressives" now? Are they ashamed of what they are?

I don't hate her, I fear her.

As with all reactionary leftists she doesn't want to govern, she wants to rule.

mightysamurai, my internet romance worked out. And that one with Jay & Deb worked out. And Mr. and Mrs. Spoons worked out...

Oh, and don't forget the secret revealed by Frank J. over at IMAO:

Every time she lies, her thighs get fatter.

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

"If you work hard and play by the rules, you can live a good life."

Anyone who can use both "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and "Arbeit macht frei" in the service of political gain should not be trusted within one million billion skillion miles of the levers of power. Add socialized medicine and aggravated serial gun-grabbery to the mix, and one gets Lady Macbeth.

Back in the copresidency/HillaryCare days, Hillary explained her opposition to MSAs (Medical Savings Accounts)--wherin you have a account to which you can add up to, say, $3000/year tax-free to be spent as you wish for healthcare, coupled with a high deductable, ($3000 in this case) major medical policy.
So, you pay cash for doctor visits, chiropractors, immunizations, aromatherapy, however you want to spend your MSA money. The practitioners love it--no insurance paperwork for an office visit. Can anyone say market forces?
Hillary, on the other hand doesn't like it. Why? Because people with MSAs can't be trusted not to squander the money. With HER plan, the all-knowing government would spend it wisely.
'Nuff said.

Hi Rachel, love your blog. So why do I "hate" Hillary? Well, I don't hate her but I sure wouldn't vote for her. In the early 1990's she made the remark that she wasn't some little woman standing by her man like Tammy Wynette. Really? Where is she now? Umm, yeah.. standing by her man. I can't quite bring myself to respect someone who repeatedly "stood by her man" while he was diddling other women. I would have kicked his ass to the curb and I guess you, Rachel, would have done the same.

If you had a friend and their husband cheated on them regularly and they kept going back into the relationship, you would lose respect for them. You would think they had no backbone and were weak. She can't stand by her votes but she can stand by her man? How about standing up to her man. It may seem trivial with all the other reasons not to like her but it's mine. I want a president who stands up not just stands by.

She says she stayed with Bill because "no one makes me laugh like Bill". Well, he made me laugh, too. I didn't vote for him, either. (I was registered as a Dem way back in the day). When he said he had "smoked pot but never inhaled" my reaction was.... well, you're either a liar or an idiot. Couldn't figure out how to inhale? Looks like Monica didn't have that problem.

One more thing:

I have a real problem with the fact that Hillary denied, denied and denied again that she intended to run for President. Some people might say 'that's just politics', but it points to a pattern of disingenuity at best and, at worst, a belief that we were stupid enough to take her at her word or didn't care if she was forthright with us.

I also know of a former Secret Service explosives expert, who told of a personal encounter with Hillary (at one of her Senate fundraisers) where she ordered him to help staff clean up. WTF? His response was that he worked for the President and that his job was to keep her safe ... period. She tried to have him fired.

To Fletch:

Did you happen to catch Obama's comment in the debates when someone asked him how he "proves" his "blackness", or how he would if he were president? (ignorant question, BTW...people who claim they're concerned with equality need to stop that BS)

He said something along the lines of, "I think my race is obvious when I try to catch a cab in Manhattan."

Uh, sorry? Did you just accuse cabdrivers of discrimination against you because of your race? Nuh-uh, dude. I don't care if it WAS a joke - that's not appropriate at a debate. If I had any respect for Obama at all (I didn't, by the way, because he's a namby-pamby socialist turd), it was gone as soon as he spoke those words.

Beats me. I'm not really "a conservative", sympathetic as I am to conservatism, and I don't hate Hillary Clinton, though I can't imagine what kind of reptile the Republicans would have to run to get me to vote for her.

I don't like most of her policy prescriptions, but that's not unique to her, and she's probably better in that regard than any of the other Democrat candidates with any chance - and not liking her policy ideas is not hating her.

The visceral hatred I've seen a subset of conservatives have for her? I can't explain it. It might well be irrational. (At very least, it seems likely to be for those who don't have a similar visceral hatred for Democrats as a group defined by policy ideas like hers.)

I think a lot of the "Visceral hatred" conservative types have for the Clintons was down to watching them, again and again, walking away unscathed from scandals that would have sunk any conservative politician. Whitewater alone was quite a bit worse than what they nailed Spiro Agnew for, but the press and public gave the Clintons a pass.

According to Christopher Hitchens' excellent book No One Left To Lie To, Hillary was apparently the one who coordinated the smear campaigns against women who inconvenienced the Great One with accusations of groping or worse. She postures as a feminist and "strong woman" while aiding and abetting someone guilty of sexual harassment of subordinates at the least, and forcible rape (Juanita Broadderick and, according to Hitchens, several others) at the worst.

I think the woman's just this side of a pure sociopath---other people don't even exist for her save as tools she can use. I don't know if Vincent Foster was murdered, but there are a lot of very hinky things about that case. Of course, when it happened, the media chorussed that it had to have been suicide. If it had happened under a Republican, they'd have screamed that the President had personally shot the poor guy.

Bonnie B.:

Watching Obama in this election is liking watching a Jr. High kid try to play "cool" with the High School kids. His "blackness" answer is typical of that type of behavior. He's trying too hard to fit in to the Democratic stereotype, and not trying hard enough to decide what type of person is he, really.

I'm no Hillary fan, but she is organized and experienced (shrewd?). I mention Obama only because I think there may be hope for him, where I think that Hillary is too far gone. That said, I expect Hillary to win the nomination handily.

The next key question, then, is: how do we defeat her in '08?

There is a particular kind of lying that really irritates me - and both she and her husband are guilty of it. It's the kind of lying where you invent a story out of thin air to win over your audience - so that the audience adopts the mistaken belief that you have a pre-existing chummy relationship. This is how a trap works...

I allude to the story when Hillary was in New Zealand and during a speech to her Kiwi audience she proclaimed that her parents were big fans of Sir Edmund Hillary, who was the first climber to reach the summit of Everest. Many of the dolts in the audience were flattered, but some were troubled...

Some fact checking was later done, which showed that Edmund Hillary was not world famous until AFTER she was born. The likelihood that her parents named her after him was nil.

I believe Bill Clinton did much the same - when speaking to, (if memory serves) a largely black southern baptist audience he spoke of how troubled he felt, when as a youth he heard of church burnings in Arkansas. Only there were no church burnings in Arkansas during his youth. The audience was heartened by his words and I guess they felt that he was truly empathetic. But really he was just simply pathetic.

Lying...smiling...trap set. Not a fan of that.

I forgot to mention that Hillary claimed, in the same speech, that her parents were such big fans of Edmund Hillary and his accomplishment that they NAMED HER AFTER HIM!

sorry for leaving out that important detail

I would never vote for her in a million years, mostly because of her socialized medicine promises (I can barely afford my own insurance, thank you) and anti-gun stance, but I've always kind of liked her.

Did you know she was president of Wellesley College's Young Republicans when she was there?

Well after all of the really smart responses I will take my shot... What does it say about a person (especially a woman seeing as they are the emotionally stronger gender) when someone they are married to sticks a cigar in another persons ass and then smokes it and they remain married to that person? I just have a very hard time having any sort of respect or admiration for someone that continues to be affiliated with a person that is at least a philandering pervert and most likely an abuser of women. What does that say about her?

Don't forget the White House Travel Office scandal. Sen. Clinton was responsible for firing career, non-partisan employees in the entirely apolitical office in charge of coordinating White House travel and replacing them with her own cronies. That was bad enough. What was worse was that she wouldn't just say it was politics, too bad, move on. No, she felt compelled to defend herself from claims of politics by slandering the good name of the employees who were fired. Criminal charges were brought against the head of the office, but he was acquitted after less than 2 hours deliberation by the jury, with people like Sam Donaldson testifying as character witnesses on his behalf.

Sen. Clinton denied any role in the firings, but the independent counsel found that she had lied to investigators about her role, and that in fact she had caused the firings to happen. However, he concluded that he would be unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she knew her statements were false when she made them.

Conservatives and, I believe, many moderates will oppose her also because they don't want Bill Clinton living in the White House again. They both practiced cronyism while living there the last time, and many suspect it would only be worse this time around. And we didn't particularly like having a presidential spouse that powerful in her own right when she was the presidential spouse. It will be worse when HE is the presidential spouse. A First Spouse ought not be directly involved in presidential policy issues or managing West Wing staff.

Everyone else has already chimed in with the hard facts and statements on why Hillary makes my skin crawl, but I'll add in this bit of mushiness:

ALL of my liberal women friends dislike her. None of them are all that poltically informed, just soft liberals, so they don't have any more articulatable reasons than the viscerally-hating conservatives, thy just... can't stand her, and hate the thought of facing a choice between her and a Republican.

There's something about her that makes people's internal warning bells go off.

First of all, I don't "hate" Hillary Clinton. I don't think most conservatives hate her.

They just oppose her. And they (and I) oppose her for the same reasons they (and I) oppose Barak Obama, or Ted Kennedy: because she's a nanny-state liberal who believes that government is the solution to all problems.

If my feelings toward her ever venture toward anything close to hatred, it's usually in the context of remembering her involvement in that "special commission" that met in secret and attempted to foist government health care on an unsuspecting public back in the early '90s. It's not so much hatred as resentment; I don't like being told I'm too stupid to manage my own health care. And I know that, once in office, she's gonna try that crap again.

Hey, there's some pretty good stuff in the comment thread of the HuffPo post to which you linked. (And some sweet, juicy craziness, too - just what you've come to expect from HuffPo!)

I particularly liked "As Maureen Dowd, I think, once said of Bill Clinton: she’s not necessarily Satan but, if she is, it would explain a lot."

Hillary calls herself a "progressive"?

Who exactly where the Progressives?

They were proto-fascists admired by Hitler and Mussolini, and whose leftist ideas (strong central government, taking presidental power to the limit, socialism, anti-semitism, racism)and methods (e.g., FDR's new deal) were used by the European fascists.

http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/05/american-roots-of-fascism-american.html

Hillary?

Be afraid.

Be very afraid.

Rachel,

I'm late to this particular party. Not surprisingly, almost everything pertinent has been said, as far as policy is concerned. However, I would like to add in particular bits of her persona that I find unsettling. As a commenter above said, Obama is probably more liberal and leftist than Hillary, yet he is more well received in general. Some of it is an authoritarian holdover from Bill's presidency. Hillary acted as if she too had been elected. Remember her "We are the president" comment? Also, she seems completely lacking in sincerity or spontaneity. Sure, politicians are generally pretty scripted, but she has taken it to a new level. I'm sure you remember the morning when Hillary showed up on TV wearing pink complaining of the "vast, rightwing conspiracy". The outfit, set and speech were designed to give her the appearance of warmth and congeniality, both of which she is sorely lacking in.

Now start the equation with her numerous socialist actions and statements listed above. Add in her noticeable personality flaws and her elitism and nanny-statism. Finally, top it all of with someone who exudes the warmth of dry ice. I find that combination a chilling recipe.

Do I hate her? No. I just don't want her anywhere near the Oval Office.

don't hate her ... she's not worth that much emotion. Loathe and despise.
She's the epitomy of everything that Ayn Rand warned us about. The the quintessential closet commie ... destroy society so she can get into the elite and run (or help run) things.
Cold, ruthless, and completely tone deaf about how other view her views. Based on psychopaths I have known, she'd be right there in familiar company.
Rose Lawn.
FBI files.
Cattle Futures.
It Takes a Village.
Health Care.
Carpetbagging.
Stealing the furnishings from the White House when leaving.
Trashing the White House when leaving.
Her treatment of ANYBODY that can't advance her cause.

Loathe. Yep ... that's the word.
The Goricle would have been an abyssmal president.
The sKerry one even worse.
Hillary would out-horrible either of them ... I can't think of anything that could hasten the destruction of this society as quickly as that harridan becoming POTUS. I fear that we'd have blue-capped troops patroling our streets the following day ... "for the children", of course.

I think Hillary has no shot in '08, unless the Republicans run a circus monkey against her (which is not out of the question). I wouldn't say I "hate" her, but something about her gives me the creeps, and with 58 comments here and counting, it's obvious that the subject of Hillary gets people fired up.

Conservatives obviously don't like her, for all the great reasons listed above. Hardcore liberals don't like her because she won't embrace their kooky agendas (in public anyway). Too many independents get the same cold-blooded feel from her and/or don't want another Clinton in the White House. In short, the old girl has too much baggage and too many enemies who will mobilize to vote against her. Add in all the dirt that will come out if she gets the nomination, an episode of foot-in-mouth disorder during a debate where she will be forced to actually take a stand on an issue, and I see a Hillary campaign eventually going down in flames.

But what do I know, I'm an optimist.

Fletch - Yeah, you may be right about that, and perhaps the experience will help him with something else later on, but he doesn't need to be running for POTUS. If he's "trying to impress the cool kids", then he's too immature to even be able to fathom "running" a country.

I'm pulling for Ron Paul, personally. The only major issue of his that I disagree with is abortion - I'm pro-choice-within-reason (although you can't limit that sort of thing without a big stink, so I guess I'm just pro-choice), and he's pro-life. At least he doesn't change his mind about it depending on who his audience is, though, and he's very matter-of-fact about his feelings regarding the issue. I can admire and appreciate that.

I think Technomad hit the nail on the head, The Clintons will always be eased over any difficulties in their term of office. They get away with stuff. Bob Kerrey said that Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar (an unusually good liar) Is there an echo in here? Actually, Bill is not a good liar, he's amazingly transparent. The press gives him a pass on his most egregious lies. He's not a good liar, he's just a very willing liar. It's a lot like if you watch Eddie Haskell successfully seduce June Cleaver and everybody pretends not to see his phoniness. We could count on 8 years of the "watchdog press" rolling over and licking her feet.

Secondly, and nobody has mentioned this here. It isn't looks, but behavior. Hillary has this pose she affects whenever meeting a friend or acquaintance - She points a finger directly at them, widens her eyes and mouth in a bizarre grimace, perhaps the sociopathic version of a smile. I call the pose "Psycho Hillary", and it's very disturbing. The other one she does is when she thinks nobody's watching. She looks very surly. There are enough of these pictures out on the web so that they should have some affect on the election.

For these reasons, I fear another Clinton presidency.

After reading thru 60 odd comments, I'm having a hard time with the claims by so many conservatives that Hillary stands for something. Hillary stands for precisely NOTHING. She has no core principles and absolutely no motivation other than personal POWER. She's a pure narcissist who suffers from a particularly virulent form of the condition. She wants the presidency because she needs the public stage, on a global scale, to satisfy her out-sized ego. There is nothing more to her than a malignant personality fueled by a need for the adoration of the masses. "There's no there, there." Only a great "I AM!" Next to Hillary's ego Evita Peron looks like a piker. When she's finally punctured, she'll explode like the Hindenburg. Or like one of the sex dolls from "The Spy Who Shagged Me." Count on it.

I'm pulling for Ron Paul, personally.

Aw, say it ain't so. :(

Seriously, you aren't really a Paulite, are you? You do know he thinks we essentially brought 9/11 on ourselves, don't you?

I don't hate the Hildabeast. Don't hate her. Don't like her. Don't want her anywhere near the white house. That 'for the common good' line is just one reason that I don't like her. And her 'vast right wing conspiracy' rantings didn't endear her, dear me no. Cattle Futures? Pfffft. Buy low, sell high anytime a meat tycoon gives you inside advice, it's the American way. Vince Foster? Probably just a weird series of coincidences, the kind that happens all the time in novels to people with unlimited resource and power.
Nope, my dislike is shallow as hell and it's nothing to be proud of but somebody has to say it.

I don't want the President of the United States to be caught displaying monster cankles on the BBC.

There, I said it. Hillary Cankle-Rodham-Clinton. Doesn't roll trippingly off the tongue, does it? Know up front that Amercian TV will be too enchanted with another Clinton parking the hillbilly bus outside the White House to ever photo those nightmares at the end of her leg. The Brits, the French, the whole rest of the world will revel in 'em. "Look at ze fat fooots, eh? Weirdsville, eh? Yes, no maybe!"
There will be an unending series of elephant foot umbrella stands offered as White House warming gifts. Think of the moo-cows that will die just to make cankle-straps for her sensible shoes. Think of the moo-cows, America! ABH! Anybody But Hildabeast!

I agree with most of the contributions above and I can only add one aspect that most people haven't mentioned. A lot of people have commented about Hillary's coldness, her flipflopping, her lack of a principled stand. What they don't realize is that these are not problems, they're symptoms.

All of the people who know Hillary very well on a personal basis all agree that, when it comes to her elitist/socialistic beliefs, she is a true believer. Decades of marriage to a consumate politician have thoroughly convinced her that her belief is polically unacceptable in the US. Bill Clinton was a great politician. Extremely practical and pragmatic and smart enough to recognize and execute whatever was required to get into office and stay there. Therefore; her coldness, her flipflopping, even some of her public speaking idiosyncracies are a result of carefully crafted and performed public personna she creates and executes in order to hide her true nature. The reason so many people don't like her public personna is because she's not a good actress.

Any middle aged or near middle aged adult in the free world has lived through decades of history that has put paid to the invoice for the proof of the falacies of collectivist economic/political ideologies. To ignore all that proof, to still be a true believer, in the face of all that contradictory evidence, indicates a serious disconnect with reality. It indicates an ideological belief that more closely resembles spiritual faith in a diety. That's just plain creepy.

Hillary is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

Hillary said "I've always been a Yankee fan", and, well, I just really don't like the Yankees.

Hillary said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, yet he climbed Mt. Everest well AFTER she was born.

1993:

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people"

June 2004:

We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.

The other day the oil companies reported the highest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits....

May 2007:

[M]arkets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed. Fairness doesn’t just happen. It requires the right government policies.”

[I]t’s hard to escape the conclusion that Mrs. Clinton benefited greatly, both in Arkansas and the White House, from the eagerness of her husband’s supporters to overrate her. “There was too much mythology about Hillary that stretched the facts,” Donna Shalala told Bernstein. Shalala, Bernstein writes, “had always been made uncomfortable by hyperbolic statements from friends and acolytes of Hillary…who put forth the notion that had she pursued her own political career and not deferred to Bill Clinton’s she would have been a governor or a senator in her own right by 1992.” Mrs. Clinton’s fans, Shalala continued, “assume that [just] being smart is enough. And it’s not enough. It’s judgment. It’s experience. It’s being strategic at the right points.” Not Mrs. Clinton’s strong points.

"She's the epitomy of everything that Ayn Rand warned us about. "

OMG, you're soooooo right!!!

""She's the epitomy of everything that Ayn Rand warned us about. "

OMG, you're soooooo right!!!

Posted by tedders [TypeKey Profile Page] | July 27, 2007 7:53 AM"

HA!

Ellsworth Toohey in a pantsuit.

Found at Wikipedia:

"Don’t set out to raze all shrines – you’ll frighten men. Enshrine mediocrity, and the shrines are razed."
-E.T.

I keep thinking of Hillary in comparison to other great women in politics. Margaret Thatcher. Golda Meier. Indira Gandhi. Queen Elizabeth. Katherine the Great. All of these were strong, forceful women. Hillary has often been described in similar terms, but what so unsettles some of us about her is that we feel these qualities are in the service of a woman with no real moral or idealogical center. Very much like her husband, she seems to govern mainly by wetting her finger and sticking it in the air to see which way the political wind is blowing.

And it may sound petty, but the stories about her treatment of White House staff, Secret Service agents on her detail, and other law enforcement/military personnel are just too numerous and well-documented to ignore. And if there's one thing I can't stand, it's a person who has no respect for those who provide the protection that enables us to enjoy the freedoms we have. Many of these people were under oath to take a bullet on her behalf, and she treated them like slaves. It's impossible to have respect for someone like her.

Excuse me..."ideological" center.

Thanks to mightysamurai for the quote I was trying to find...

"Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush’s] tax cuts may have helped you. We’re saying that for America to get back on track, we’re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We’re going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Sounds a whole lot like Marxism to me.

Hillary Clinton would've been arrested and jailed back in the '50's for being a communist sympathizer. And the stories of how she treats the people assigned to protect and serve her, just goes to show how she truly feels about the common citizens of this country that she is supposed to represent. Her flip-flopping on current issues even rivals John Kerry's.

I wish I could remember the specific comments she made on the "Meet The Press" awhile back, but I had to get up and leave the room fuming to keep from emptying my .45 cal Taurus into my brother's new TV.

This country is truly doomed if the socialist c**t gets elected as leader of the free world.

And has she actually accompished anything since being elected in New York? I can't hink of a thing...except bashing the president every chance she gets.

Oh, good grief. I was trying to remember the exact quote Hillary made about "staying home and baking cookies", and I found this interview.

She's worse than I remembered.

Various quotes from that interview:

"HILLARY CLINTON: You know, I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life. "

"GOV BILL CLINTON, (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I always say that my slogan might well be, "Buy one, get one free"."

And the one that really got me:
"JACKIE JUDD, ABC NEWS(VO): The candidate took more questions about his wife than about any other single subject during a recent TV appearance. Most incendiary is Hillary Clinton's view that children should be considered competent. In legal terms, that means a child could sue a parent."

Children considered competent? Holy mackerel! Let's give 'em full-time jobs at the age of nine, huh?

I may hate Hillary, but she started it!

I may hate Hillary, but she started it!

Gah, my first double...

Why would Hillary not be a choice for the office of President of the United States?

This country is in a war not of our choosing with a group of people who believe that women are vastly inferior to men. These men would react very strongly to a United States led by a woman. There is an old saying (Arab, I believe) that says that when God wishes to destroy a people, he first makes a woman their leader.

Hillary came to the White House as the smartest woman in the world - an idea that she revels in. Yet, we recently learned that Hillary flunked the DC bar exam at a time when she was considering leaving Arkansas to go work in D.C.

After the exam, she gave up on moving to D.C. and stayed in Arkansas where she did pass the bar. When confronted with defeat, she retreats.

I know I'm late to this, but a little Hillary anecdote:

I am an air traffic controller. There are different protocols used for handling the various VIPs in our government and foreign heads of state. I'm not going to go into specific details, but lets just say that having Air Force One show up at your airport is not a trivial matter. (In the last 16 years, I've come to hate campaign season.) The President's plane is given very high priority due to the security risks involved. The down-side for the President is that he's flying around in the most recognizable 747 in the world. The up-side is that he doesn't spend much time sitting on a taxiway waiting for a takeoff sequence.

Back when Hillary was attempting her big healthcare powergrab, a memo came out (and I will always regret not making a photocopy of it) directing air traffic facilities to use the same procedures and provisions when handling Hillary's aircraft as we would when handling the President's plane.

Hillary was not in any way, shape or form an elected official of our government. This was not about security. I'm guessing that the difference in handling when she was with Bill in Air Force One (or Marine One) and what she got when traveling as Executive One Foxtrot was rather noticeable. I find it an interesting window into her personality that she would have such an incredible sense of entitlement that she would actively pursue this as a perk.

I realize she was the anointed one, saving us from the burden of decision for our own health care. Her time must have a value that we lowly sheeple can't possibly comprehend. Surely it's not too much to ask that several thousand people are delayed, and in some cases likely to miss connections, to insure that not a single second of Hillary's precious time gets wasted.

My personal nightmare is a McCain vs Hillary Rodham election. Fortunately, McCain looks to be fading fast. Now if either party could just find a candidate that I would actively want to vote for...

(A little air traffic/Presidential trivia. The only time the call-sign Navy One has been used was when George W. Bush landed on the aircraft carrier for the now-famous "Mission Accomplished" visit.)

new surber attack on hillary, if you're still interested:
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2007/07/27/coarseness-depends-on-what-is-is-hillary/#more-1412

I am definitely still interested. I'd like to get over 100 comments on here if possible actually. The more I learn about Hillary, the more disturbing I find it that she's the frontrunner.

Hi, I'm late, too, but I had to add a few things if I may...

Republicans don't "hate" their political opponents because Republicans don't base their political POVs on emotion. That explains the gaping difference in the political conclusions each party derives. Democrats feel. Republicans think. Crats accuse Republicans of being heartless, Republicans categorize Democrats as being insane. And the right side is, of course, the right side.

With that being said, Hillary Clinton appears to be extremely misunderstood here. It's not that she lacks a sense of morality -- she doesn't, not at all -- it's that she has to hide the sense of morality she has, or else she could not be elected the proverbial dog catcher in this country, not even in a state as far gone as New York.

This is her morality: she's better than you, she's smarter than you, she knows what's best for you, and if you ever question that then you need to be shut up in any way possible. Do you know that she will not hold an unscripted interview or press conference? These "town hall" fiascos were all pre-staged, every single one, and if you look closely at the debates, you can tell that the reason her answers are so milquetoast is because she's on the verge of cracking. During the hearings on HillaryCare, Hillary went ballistic when she kept getting asked -- and kept refusing to answer -- how national health care was going to get paid for. She effing LOST it, right there in front of the panel, and in that moment we finally got a glimpse of the true, unpackaged Hillary: panicked, crazed, and incredulous that anyone would DARE point out to her how very stupid she is.

And she is a moron. Education does not equal intelligence any more than experience equals talent. What has she ever said or done that could make anyone believe she has the intellectual goods? Can anyone think of anything, ever, that made her sound wise, that would be remembered 50 years after her death as some philosophical quote to make you think? Really, one thing??? Even a drunken sod like Winston Churchill oozed out a litany of quotes that are relevant and uplifting even to this day. And yet, we already see in this thread there's a load of quotes that have fallen from Hillary's mouth that can be classified as dumb and/or dangerous...

...the least of which was certainly not "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." I'm surprised that good'un was left out of this thread thus far, which only not proved her a fool, it demostrated what a vapid hole she was, and is, where integrity is concerned. She proclaimed her husband's adulterous rumors to be the fault of their political enemies, and when the rumors proved to be true, where was the apology? Where was the humility, the backbone, the admission that she was, in fact, wrong to accuse the innocent for her husband's failure as a husband?

And there's actually a segment of the population in this country who believes this woman can be a LEADER? Well, maybe if you're into the "common good" and elitist snobbery, but ultimately her goal is a socialist utopia with her as Big Sister, and honestly I can't imagine even the most desperate American would find that appealing.

Which is why, of course, Hillary can't admit it's precisely what she wants.

"Unfortunately, I can more readily see her using that backbone against the American people."

That's the Marxist model. Communist leaders (hell, any leftist leaders) have always devoted more time to oppressing their own populations, rather than foreign ones.

Pol Pot, Stalin, Trotsky, Lenin, Chavez, Castro.

And, in a Hillary Administration, think of Janet Reno II holding all those Patriot Act powers.

American gun owners would become the new terrorists by Month 3 after the swearing-in.