Mamas, don’t let your sons watch HGTV. They’ll never get married.
It takes a special kind of person to get pissed off watching the Home and Garden channel, and I am just that special person. I love “House Hunters” the most because it’s fun watching people in other parts of the country try to find a 3-bedroom 2-bathroom 1200-square foot house for under $250,000 (in the DFW area, that kind of money buys you a McMansion), but mostly what I love is hating the women I see on these shows. And hate them I do.
In the last 2 weeks, I’ve watched maybe a dozen episodes of “House Hunters”, and in at least 10 of those episodes, the following occurred almost verbatim every single time:
Wife: Oh! This is a nice big closet.
Husband: Yeah, I guess it’s big enough for all your stuff.
Wife: HA HA! I get all the closet space! It’s mine! You get one drawer! HA HA HA HA!
This makes me want to kill some bitches.
They are so proud of the fact that they own 50 pairs of shoes and two metric tons of cocktail dresses, and that they’ve shown their husband who’s boss by hogging all the closet space. You can see it in their eyes, every time, how cutely sassy they think they’re being. It is absolutely revolting.
I also love how they make a big deal out of pretending that they care what hubby thinks. Some of them are so brazenly unashamed - and proud - of how thoroughly they’ve emasculated their man that they even look right in the camera with a dull-eyed evil grin and say things like, “I like to let him think his opinions count, too.” Die, lady. Just die.
You’d almost feel sorry for these guys but you know what? They’re adults. They made a choice to marry these psychos and knock them up repeatedly, and to allow themselves to be relegated to “just-another-kid” status. Tough shit. Get a helmet.
On some other show I saw the other day, not “House Hunters” but something like it, a newlywed couple was looking for their first home. The wife said she’d just spent several years in the Peace Corps, which tells you something about her financial savvy. They wanted a certain house that was on the market for something like $257,000 but they’d crunched the numbers and decided that their firm upper limit was $242,000, based on what the monthly payments would be.
So they made some counter-offers and the seller got down to $247,000 plus closing costs. CLOSE ENOUGH. But no. Not for this woman. Even when the realtor explained that she’d called the bank and gotten the interest rate lowered and thus the monthly difference was precisely $16, wifey still wouldn’t budge. She even burst into tears.
Wife: But we agreed! We agreed on $242,000! We can’t afford this!
Husband: Honey, it’s only $16 a month more.
Wife: No! We agreed!
Husband: With my parents helping, we can do this.
Wife: Noooo! We agreed!
Husband: Okay sweetie, let’s go home and talk about it. It’s okay, don’t worry.
I kept waiting for Dr. Phil to show up and explain to this idiot and her de-balled husband where the rubber meets the road. To counsel the husband on the mistake he made marrying such a brittle fool and how the rest of his existence with her was going to be even worse because if she acts like this over $16 a month, imagine how she’ll act when something, you know, actually bad happens.
Or maybe someone who’s good with math who might point out that if you’re spending a quarter of a million dollars, crying about an extra $16 a month is probably the stupidest fucking thing you will ever do in your entire life. Seriously. It’s true.
And another thing, which is I know is something really lame to bitch about because it is a TV show and also because I already blogged about it years ago on my old blog, but it drives me completely NUTS how the realtors show the houses to these people.
Because I’m sorry, but when you walk into a room with a refrigerator, a stove, and a sink, you do not need to say, “And this is the kitchen.” When you go out the back door and behold a large grassy fenced area, you do not need to say, “And this is the back yard.” While pointing at a paved hole in the ground that is full of water and has a diving board at one end, you do not need to say, “And this is the pool.”
And you do not need to ASK people if they’d like to see the living room. I’m pretty sure they would.
Anyway, back to the thesis of this post, which is that if anyone out there ever still wonders why so many men don’t want to get married, you really just need to watch more TV. You’ll see. Shows you’d think were totally benign and neutral on gender relations aren’t necessarily so. And don’t even get me started on “Bridezillas.” Oh lord. If that one doesn’t turn men completely gay, they’re just not being smart.
Oh geez - now I’m going to have to watch the show!!
July 15th, 2008 at 11:43 amESTMy wife and I have noticed this on TV more and more lately. Either a smart ass kid shows up the old man or the broad (sorry, most of the offenders aren’t ladies in my book) has to show who wears the pants by making some snarky comments and making the man look foolish. Now, I admit that I’ve got no problems making myself look foolish often enough, but my bride doesn’t dogpile on me like most of the women on tv. That’s not just in shows either, pay attention to commercials as well. As for Bridezillas, I have repeatedly told my wife, if she had been 1/10th as annoying as ANY of the broads on that show, I’d still be single. Our wedding, while stressful was completed without any bloodshed or open wounds occuring and she and I did all the work and paid for everything ourselves.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:49 amESTI actually watched the last half of a “Bridezillas” the other day, and nearly wet myself between laughing at the women, and calling the men ignorant because they were still going to marry them. This one man had taken his fiancee to a fancy restaurant, and he gave her the wedding band early. This guy had spent a buttload of money to buy a platinum wedding band, but it didn’t have a diamond, so the bitch completely lost her shit. She told him she would never wear a plain “piece of shit like that”, and walked out of the restaurant. The dumbass decided he was going to follow her out and talk to her. I was shouting, “NO!!! Go out the back door and never see her again!!!”, but he just wouldn’t listen to me. Boy, hers must be gold-plated for him to want to go back to it after that.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:50 amESTYou are so right! I cringe throughout most of the show. There was some chick who seriously cried for most of the 30 minutes as they went through the process.
And Bridezillas! I just watched it Sunday night and couldn’t believe the groom went through with the wedding. The bitch shoved cake in his uncles face at the rehearsal because he dared to announce that it happened to be his wedding anniversary. Yeesh.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:52 amESTGeez. There’s a reason I don’t watch much TV. 24, Heroes, Trading Spaces…Fox News…that’s about it.
If I were watching Bridezillas I would probably end up screaming at the TV. That kind of crassness doesn’t appeal to me.
As far as the “but we agreed!” girl goes, well…as long as they are talking it out and come to a mutual decision there shouldn’t be a problem. Crying because they can’t get the $$ down to where they decided they could afford it is kind of histrionic. Make a decision. Lift your payment by the $16, or don’t. Crying over it is ridiculous.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:02 pmESTWe don’t watch Bridezilla, but my wife does watch house-hunters on occasion. I was with her during one show and the one thing this guy really, really wanted was a swimming pool. That was all he wanted. They looked at 3 houses, 2 with pools, 1 without. Guess which one they went with? And it wasn’t like it was a better, bigger, less expensive.
She just wanted to show him who was boss. He was “happy” because he got a band practice room. Which she whispered to the camera, that won’t last long either.
I wanted to just slap that bitch. I looked over to my wife and said, I hope your not taking notes here, because that ain’t happening here.
I’m also from the DFW area and just am amazed that houses half the size of mine run for 2-3 times as much. I just shake my head and wonder how the hell these people pay for these things. I make good money, but I’d hate to have to pay a higher mortgage.
And one final note, a DFW radio host once said H&G programming was porn for women. And that I believe.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:03 pmESTNever watched Bridezillas, never will. I’ve seen variations of it, and I nearly wanted to slap my wife for just being the same gender. She did nothing wrong, but I felt sorry for her.
I’ve noticed this a lot on House Hunters as well, and it makes me cringe. These spineless bastards just sit there and take it. I feel no pity. They deserve it for being stupid enough to marry those hags. I’m just waiting for one of the dudes to snap. They’ll be trolling through the house, the wife will be making comments that point in the direction of “men are so stupid”, and then on (not so) live TV the man will boom “Listen you life sucking twat! You will never speak to me like that again or I’m going to fuck your sister on a giant pile of your burning shoes! Do you understand me?”
Pure. TV. Gold.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pmESTWon’t turn me gay, but definately leaning toward legalizing prostitution.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:05 pmESTDid you pick up on the phrase “with my parents helping?” My kids know better than to ask me, as two of them make a heck of a lot more money than I do.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:05 pmESTThis reminds of a show I saw a few times that was (I think) called “Designed for the Sexes.” A husband and wife would call a designer to solve the problem they faced: they had a room or rooms in the house they couldn’t agree on how to decorate. The designer (an incredibly flaming man) would then listen intently while the man said something like “my wife has designed all the rest of the house of the house the way she wants it, including the garage and the basement, and I just want a room where I can watch my big screen and drink beer with the guys.” Then he listens intently while the wife says “I just really think this room needs to be used more as a conversation area, where we can sit by the fire and drink tea.” Then the designer “compromises” and creates a room they BOTH can enjoy (sarcasm), by making a pink frilly fluffy room with lots of lace and pillows, but if you look closely you will see a 13″ TV has been hidden inside some sort of miniature armoire so the man can just shut the hell up. In other words, the show did the room the way woman wanted with no consideration for the man at all.
I stopped watching after seeing just enough of this crap to spot the pattern.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:09 pmESTI’ve dealt with women like that before. They budget things so tightly that she knows that they really can’t afford another $16. They budget to get as much house as they can possibly ever afford.
I don’t understand it. I live in a crappy apartment because I want spending money. I’m looking at houses now, and I am trying to get one that isn’t more than double my yearly salary. Total. Because I like not having to worry about my budget being stretched.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:09 pmESTRachel, I’ll let you in on a little secret about us men.
As long as our wives keep having sex with us, they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want to. Period.
We don’t give a flying shit about closets or how much the mortgage will cost as long as we are getting it on a regular basis.
We truly are simple creatures, and that is OK with us (and I repeat) as long as we are getting it on a regular basis!!!!!!!
Let the sex stop, and we don’t play those games any more!!!!! Yes, we are just big dogs, and no you can’t have us fixed…
July 15th, 2008 at 12:14 pmESTBridezilla, ha! Double ha for Momzillas! My mom started freaking out when I got engaged (she really meant well, but WOW) until I informed her that if she went too psycho, I’d rent a gym at the Y and serve pizza with boxed wine for the reception, so help me GOD. My friends thought it’d be fun! Mom has since calmed way down and trusted me to handle the details . . .
July 15th, 2008 at 12:17 pmESTBig Bad Johnny is right. The problem, of course, it that eventually one of several things happens:
The woman simply stops putting out;
The woman gains 400 pounds;
OR
The woman takes the man SO much for granted that she allows her outrageous demands to be less acceptable than dropping a few grand every month on multiple hookers.
Which is why men should marry women they actually like to spend time with, instead of women that spread their legs for presents.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pmESTWhy do women do this? Why do so many women think they need so many different pairs of shoes? I have three pairs of shoes. My boots, my tennis shoes, and my formal shoes. That’s it. That’s all I’ve ever needed.
I’ve thought about this a long time and I think I know the answer. Women don’t buy shoes, they collect shoes. Just like some people collect stamps, bottle caps, or rare coins. Women aren’t buying these shoes to wear them, they’re just feeding a hobby. And there’s nothing wrong with that, at least in the abstract. The problem is when the shoe collection begins to take over the entire closet.
The ladies would not approve if their man’s hobby started to take over the whole bedroom (I know this because my mother most certainly did not approve when she came home and found all 63 of my dad’s model airplanes hanging from her bedroom ceiling). So why, oh women of the world, do you do the same to us?
July 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pmESTMy wife and I were watching HH the other day and the couple looking at houses were “rating” each house on a scorecard the wife designed. I asked my wife what the deal was (as I has missed the first part of the show) and she explained that the wife made up the cards to make sure that the husband had a say in what house they chose. My wife then pointed out to me how much of an overbearing bitch the wife must be to have to have her husband write down PRECISELY what about the house he did/did not like for her to take his opinion seriously.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pmESTRachel,
You and I must be sisters separated at birth. You couldn’t have written this entry an more to my EXACT thoughts. I used to watch HH, but got sick of it for your exact reasons. Nice to know I am not wasting my time watching it any more since it hasn’t changed.
And the other thing that bothered me was the chinese lady hostess that couldn’t keep her head still while talking. Bob,bob,bob, up and down, side to side, I hated watching her.
Anyway, GREAT post. Keep up the good work and thanks for reading my mind and putting it in writing. Saves me the time of having to blog . . .
July 15th, 2008 at 12:27 pmESTActually, Say Uncle came to a good agreement with his wife on this. She gets to fill the closet with shoes, he gets to fill a gun safe with guns. Everyone is happy. (He couldn’t get her to budge on the fact that guns generally appreciate, while shoes depreciate drastically before you even get them out of the store.)
July 15th, 2008 at 12:27 pmESTMy husband will be glad to know that his sack is intact by your standards! He picked our house without me even being IN THE STATE!! Took pictures of it when it wasn’t even finished, e-mailed them and said “this is the house, what do you think?” as if it wasn’t already a foregone conclusion
Now it doesn’t hurt that we sorta like the same things in a house, and that we can find our way around a calculator (unlike that ass-clown girl you mentioned–btw, I think I saw that same show, it was something like House Virgins or something??), but still….I would no more TELL my husband that I get the closet than I would own more than a couple of cocktail dresses.
Wait til those bitches start popping out kids and get spit-up on their precious wardrobe! Hehe, I’m laughing just thinking about it!
July 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pmESTThat was exactly what I was thinking as I read Rachels post. And people point to the Big Bad Banks as the sole cause of the mortgage crisis?
July 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pmEST1) Why is this labeled under “girl stuff”?
2) Apparently House Hunters is on 24/7 because I see it on the list whenever I’m seeing if House is coming on.
3) I can’t believe anyone watches this shit. Someone up top said they don’t watch that show because they would end up screeming at the TV. That is exactly why I don’t bother with this type of show. I already yell at the TV enough, I don’t need something that will make me stroke out.
4)
pure. awesomeness.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pmESTAnd some people wonder why I’m a lot less wistful about the fact that I’ve never been married, or even shacked-up. Wise was he who said “Come live with me and you’ll know me.”
On “Bridezillas”—I can understand and sympathize with a young woman who breaks down while in the throes of wedding planning—it’s a big step to take, and she’s in the middle of planning this huge, complicated party, with all sorts of people being invited, including likely some that she knows won’t click with each other. That said, some brides-to-be are so fixated on it being THEIR PERFECT DAY that they turn into Stalin-in-drag.
And sometimes it’s not the bride’s fault, but Mommie Dearest, especially if the bride, herself, wants a nice, quiet wedding with just family and very close friends, but Mommie Dearest’s been dreaming of throwing a huge, fantabulous blow-out ever since she knew she’d had a girl, and has the bit in her teeth.
If I were to marry, I’d suggest eloping, and letting people know afterward.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pmESTWomen like that don’t turn us gay. We like the girly parts too much for that. They just turn us single for life.
I’d gladly live in my shithole apartment and be happy and in peace than have my shit run by some she-hag like that.
No amount of ass is worth that.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pmESTIf I may say so, Rupert is a lucky guy. On behalf of all men, Rachel, thanks for not going all Jesse Jackson on us.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pmESTNow, add to this the gay and lesbian “partners” in the home improvement-for-sales shows, and pretty soon you think that all women are ditzes and everyone ELSE is gay or lesbian living in a “stable” relationship!
Thank Neil Clark Warren for the VERY heterosexual e-Harmony! I think he should find a way to turn eHarmony into a Reality Cable show!
July 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pmESTYou don’t see the real men on those shows cause they’re busy gettin drunk and watchin reruns of Blue Collar Comedy. Make me a sandwich beotch!
July 15th, 2008 at 12:57 pmESTI’m planning to nip this in the bud by:
July 15th, 2008 at 1:03 pmEST-buying the house first, then getting married, meaning she has to accomidate herself to my space.
-making the watching of HGTV, “Sex and the City”, or “Titanic” one of the reasons she will be dumped. Oh Lord, how I wish I could unsee “Titanic”
I like to watch Clean House, ’cause it makes me feel like my house is absolutely immaculate in comparison. There was an episode recently where the husband worked nights and the wife was a “real estate agent”, and she expected him to do 80% of the work around the house because he was home during the day! She was the biggest bitch ever. I don’t get why he didn’t slap her and tell her to clean up after herself once in a while. They had a bunch of sons, and she didn’t expect them to do anything, and even made excuses for her stupid 16 year-old punk son who’s room was a health hazard.
My husband works nights, and while I’d like him to do more around the house, I understand that he will never get as much sleep as I do, even though we work the same number of hours, so there’s no point nagging him about it.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:04 pmESTHave you stumbled on another one of these real-estate-based horrors –”Flip this House”? This is where greedy yups and yuppettes buy a regular middle class house that maybe needs a lick of paint and maybe a a couple of new kitchen appliances and maybe the garden weeded, and lo and verily, with dollar signs spinning in their eyeballs (they’re shooting for a $250,000 markup), they decide to turn it into a McMansion.
So HE takes a sledgehanner to the kitchen, while SHE starts whining about those (snivel) Out of Date Popcorn Ceilings (horrors!!)– and to stop the whining he then takes a sledgehammer to the ceilings .. and surprise! the remodel wasn’t finished in 2 weekends like they’d planned, to he has to call in his friend Chip from Sales to help out, only it turns out that neither HE nor Chip, nor SHE for that matter know fecal matter about either plumbing or nailing up thickened cardboard for walls and ceilings, and after the commercial there’s a closeup of HER standing in the mess pouting and snarling, and then you grab the remote and punch in Channel 83 where they’re having a Chuckie the Doll Festival and “Child’s Play” is on and Chuckie looks pretty damn human in comparison to the yups …
July 15th, 2008 at 1:11 pmESTCable channels are for rich people.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:11 pmESTI was with you full-on until the bit about the wife at the end putting her foot down on the extra $16 per month. To me, it sounds like HE is the one who wants to live right up to the edge of the budget, and she’s the one saying, no, we settled on $X as our absolute maximum limit. She may not want to be dependent on his parents’ money (I mean, c’mon, Rachel, haven’t you known a guy or two who had trouble cutting the apron strings connecting him to his momma?). Maybe she doesn’t want him to feel compelled to work 30 hours a week of overtime to just pay the bare minimum bills.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:12 pmESTYou don’t have to watch TV to see this kind of thing. Just keep your eyes open in a store or a restaurant or on a street corner. Many women treat their husbands with barely-concealed contempt; some don’t even bother to try to conceal it.
Sometimes you see it the other way around, of course, but this is generally when the couple is over 65 or so, or where they are from a different culture.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pmESTAlso, a lot of the debt crisis in America is probably due to marital politics. The spending level of a couple is generally determined by the more extravagant of the two.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:16 pmESTThe last house that I shared with a woman was 4,200 square feet and the master bedroom was on a side of the house opposite from the other two bedrooms. The master bedroom closet was 14′ X 8′ and I was not allowed to hang ANY of my clothes there.
I was also disallowed from using either of the other bedroom closets. And in fact, I had to expand one of those ’spare bedroom’ closets for my significant other’s use. I was relegated to the hall closet only.
I own a dozen or so suits, have several dozen dress shirts, and perhaps 60 ties. I not only had to cram all of that into a 3′ X 4′ closet, I had to walk the entire length of the house every morning (50′) just to get to my clothes. Once I arrived at my clothes I was in a hallway and had no mirror, place to sit to put on my shoes, etc.
I was encouraged (encouraged by the threat of the witholding of her feminine charms),not to bring my clothes back into the master bedroom to get dressed. You see I awoke for work two hours before she did and it disturbed her sleep if I returned to what was euphamistically called “our bedroom” to dress.
God I do miss that house! I do not miss hopping one one foot every morning in order to put my shoes on though.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pmESTI watch too much TV and notice that nearly all the men are so whipped and the women domineering and bitchy. It’s pathetic and annoying. And it rubs off. Whenever I catch myself talking “down” to hubby (usually for annoying me somehow) I realize I’m watching too much. Our relationship is give and take. We’re both hard headed and want what we want. So sometimes he makes a decision and sometimes I make one. It just depends on the issue.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pmESTI admit it, I watch “Bridezillas”. Partly for the same reason people told fairy tales back in the Old Country– you know, so the kids would know what to do if they ever *did* happen to cross a troll-guarded bridge or whatever.
WayneB, you didn’t get the half of it– not only was the poor SOB groom going to marry this shrieking harpy, he was about to do it for the SECOND TIME!! They had been married and divorced once before. For the love of God, what was he thinking????
Just for the record, I can fit all my shoes into a standard backpack. And my dating profile says so.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:42 pmESTThose kind of shows just make me really grateful for the wife I have.
Her standard version of dressing up is her nice jeans and some boots. Her favorite shows just happens to be the same ones I like (Dr. Who, Torchwood and Scrubs), and her favorite thing to do on Sunday is watch John Wayne or Jackie Chan films.
And when she sees one of those screaming bitches on TV she usually says something like “I would really have to knock the shit out of a idiot like that.”
Yea, she’s perfect : D
July 15th, 2008 at 1:43 pmESTAt a party over the weekend I made a joke about how I had ran over something in our yard because I tried to back up in our pick-up and I don’t have penis, which is required for backing up in pick- up trucks.
Well, the only one who got upset was a 100 pair of shoes girly bitch who is could no more drive a pick up than spit, despite the fact that she clearly has posession of her husbands penis and keeps his balls in her purse.
PS not only can i back up in a pick-up but it is a stick shift….i just sayin
July 15th, 2008 at 1:51 pmESTI’ve secondhand-smoked a few episodes of Bridezillas, which my wife watches religiously. I don’t think it’s so much about turning single men gay as making married men say “OK, maybe my life isn’t perfect, but at least I’m not married to that.”
I am rather curious, though, as to what possesses these bridezillas to appear on the show. They do know that they’re on a show called “Bridezillas,” right? And that as a rule, word blends based on the name “Godzilla” aren’t generally intended as a compliment? Maybe they should have a new show called “Dumbasses Who Will Do Anything to Get on TV,” and see who is willing to appear on that.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:52 pmESTErin_Coda - Maybe that chump was looking at her as a Trophy Wife. I mean, she WAS pretty impressive looking, but if that’s the case, he deserves what he gets.
Regarding shoes, I have to say I know at least one woman who actually wears her many different pairs of shoes. She rides the same bus I do in the mornings, and I’m sure I’ve seen her wear at least 10 different pairs at different times.
Update: Xrlq - “Dumbasses Who Will Do Anything to Get on TV,” - I’d bet there would be thousands lining up.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:00 pmESTGeeze woman…. just damned amazing.
Marry me.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:02 pmESTHere’s a little truth in advertising.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:20 pmESTHeh… My live-in guy and I both have a lot of “stuff” to stuff into our apartment… but when he moved in with me, he took over all but two of the drawers in two dressers. Most of MY clothes are in laundry baskets on the floor. He also has more stuff in the closets.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pmESTI admit it, I like these shows. Yes, I yell at the TV – at which point Gullyborg makes disgusted noises at me and tells me to turn it off – but it’s a handy cautionary tale available to the masses. By watching the dysfunctional couples, I have learned to appreciate my husband who is mostly reasonable and apparently smarter than all other men on TV. Its like being a Peeping Tom without the arrest record. And it makes me feel all reasonable in comparision.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pmESTThat $16 a month kills me.
When I set up my student loan payments the Sallie Mae employee asked if I would mind if my last payment (when I am 65) is made that it would be $160 more then the other 359 odd payments that would be made over 30 years…. Sometimes, it jsut don’t matter.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:28 pmESTHouse Hunters is one of the few shows that I watch. I used to be a real estate appraiser, and I still like to look at houses. I do think that the people featured may be encouraged to play it up a bit. Without some tension or conflict, the show tends to be a bit dry. The show thankfully has been bringing in other hosts. Suzanne Whang was OK, but she wiggles way too much.
I caught a few bit of Bridezillas shows. It seem to be one step above Jerry Springer to me. Why waste my time watching nasty women get their 15 minutes of fame!
July 15th, 2008 at 2:34 pmESTI think they cut out a lot of the really good stuff, by which I mean where the guy finally has enough and tells his wife or fiancee to go screw herself. Or the stuff is scripted so that the woman comes out the winner each time. In any event, it’s not worth watching.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:37 pmEST$16 a month is a little less than 53 cents a day. In other words, one could scrounge the extra from their sofa cushions to make the payment - or eat out ONCE less every two months. Seriously, dinner for two, even at an Applebee’s or something, will run you 32 bucks with tip. Sink it into your house and cook some soup or something.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:37 pmESTDude, a plane ticket to Nevada isn’t that expensive (especially when you consider the kind of money you’ll end up spending on quality, no-strings-attached !@#$%&*ing.
Oh, and plan to stay a few days.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:38 pmESTBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
No, this plan just means more of your own money down the toilet when she demands you either sell your house upside-down to buy a new house for BOTH of you, or else you remodel EVERYTHING and all your “man stuff” like large speakers, power tools, big tvs, gun cabinets, etc., go to the garage (if kept at all).
July 15th, 2008 at 2:38 pmESTPlease forgive me - I can’t get block quotes to work to save my life….(ETA - thanks 14 karat!)
I will say that I find this to be a bit unfair, as I am currently in that kind of situation, but in reverse. In the four years that my husband I have lived together, me moving from DC into his home in the Phoenix area, I have had to battle to have any impact on the house. And it’s not like I’ve said, “Take your stuff down and put mine up” - I’ve tried to say, “How about if we hang some stuff that we both like - you know, pictures of our friends and family, art we both like, etc.?” I had to fight to just repaint our living room (which sorely needed it, as it had been over 10 years and was just looking kinda faded) and he’s not helping on it.
It’s funny - if you’re too demanding, you’re a ballbreaking bitch. If you just go along, it’s a bit spirit crushing. It’s a fine fine line to walk.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:55 pmESTThat’s it: I’m officially lobbying Congress to have you cloned. If there’s one thing the world desperately needs, it’s more Wachels.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:55 pmESTI assure you that’s not how it works around my house. *bg*
But the way I got around that was that both of us were in our 40s before we got married. And we’d never been married before that. So we accepted the fact that she had her stuff and I had mine, and that we ran things as an equal partnership. It’s worked for 8 years and I don’t expect it to stop working anytime soon. And the sex is great. (Oh, sorry. TMI.)
Actually that was exactly what happened in my case. I bought a condo and met my wife six months later. She moved in about five months later. The only thing I did was something I was planning to do anyway — I built a walk-in closet in the master bedroom. And yes, she took up 75% of it, but I own three suits, three sport coats, a bunch of dress shirts, and four pairs of shoes. Everything else fits in a dresser. What do I need a walk-in closet for? The main problem was not her clothes, but the fact that we’d both accumulated complete households full of stuff that we were now trying to cram into a 1000sf condo.
We’re now in the house I grew up in after Mom moved into an apartment (what did Mom need 2400 square feet and a two-car garage for?). I have my own walk-in closet and she’s got pretty much the equivalent of what she had at the condo. But all our furniture and kitchen junk fits now.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:56 pmESTUm, where can I find one like that (as opposed to the kind that thinks everything purchased with plastic is free)?
July 15th, 2008 at 2:58 pmESTOh, the plastic was maxed out, and a significant part of that budget was debt maintenance.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:00 pmESTI actually caught an episode of Bridezillas when I was flipping channels one day and I wanted to induce vominting. The fact that they have a term for this speaks volumes (i.e. meaning there are a lot of women who are like this). I sometimes wonder if I’m missing anything as far as relationships, and then I watch something like that which sobers me up quick.
However, I have to say that the guys who put up with that nonsense are simply pathetic and deserve everything they get. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for them.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:02 pmESTBrooke,
Highlight the passage you want quoted and then hit “B-quote”
That is all …
July 15th, 2008 at 3:07 pmESTWayneB, I cannot account for what turns men on– perhaps you were referring to her body as being hot, but I strongly suspect that her mental state was caused by brain toxicity from too much hair bleach. I’m just sayin’.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:14 pmESTWhat’s HGTV? Never mind, it sounds like I’m happier not knowing. Isn’t Spike running another James Bond marathon this weekend?
July 15th, 2008 at 3:17 pmESTI’m not sure about that, but they are going to be airing some live UFC fights, so you can watch men attempt to beat the living crap out of eachother, so that will do for good programming.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:26 pmESTRachel, one show I enjoy watching on HGTV is “Holmes on Homes”. I don’t know if you get it down there in Texas as it is a Canadian show, but if you do I recommend it. Basically, Mike Holmes is a contractor who fixes up other contractors’ disasters. Typically the home owners paid for a reno (or sometimes an entire house) and got shafted by shoddy workmanship and bordering-on-but-not-quite-criminal negligence. Mike comes in and, to use his catch-phrase, “does it right”.
I swear, if I was a girl I’d probably become spontaneously pregnant while watching this guy. Maybe if I wasn’t a home owner I’d be more calm.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:27 pmESTThis starts at the top - the NYT - and works its way all the way down. For fifteen years I’ve weekly had a glass of wine with a group of women, all of whom are accomplished - most professors - and all married. They once talked about ideas and books; now, for the last few years, it’s whose husband is the biggest fool. I thank God I am unmarried. They read that men don’t do their share of the housework; but their complaints are about how men occasionally miss a spot. Housework is beneath them, cooking too, anything that’s not creative or shows off their “giftedness”.. Their men will do anything, put up with anything, take on any role, give up any pastime or friendship, to keep their wives happy. Their wives pride themselves on their gender breaking dash and flash, but are far more dependent on their men than their grandmothers were. Temporary center-of-attention stardom goes to whomever is having an affair. And indeed watching their men cook, clean, drive, put up with insults, and accept being demeaned, why wouldn’t an affair look good? I love them all dearly but think they’ve talked themselves into a way of life that will destroy both their husbands and their children. And I’m starting to suspect that they’re all beginning to despise one another.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:27 pmESTIsn’t Spike ALWAYS running a James Bond marathon?
We watch a LOT of James Bond. I don’t care what incarnation he takes, he is H-O-T!
(Well, George Lazenby was pretty plain, but the rest … WHEW)!
July 15th, 2008 at 3:27 pmESTInstinct, please don’t take this the wrong way, but I F&^%ING hate you.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:27 pmESTI want to shoot my TV when the househunter says “oh, this (2,000 sq ft kitchen)will be just great for entertaining”. I mean how many friends do these people have? I guess so many that you have to have maximum closets so you are never in danger of wearing the same thing twice in your hostess role! And when they show them a perfectly fine bathroom or kitchen and these 20-year olds immediately make plans to rip it out because it needs “updating”. My parents always said they’d update (buy furniture without broken springs, fix the holes in the sheetrock) when the kids left home. No wonder so many people are drowning in debt now. I’m sure the majority of guys would be happy campers living like my parents did but their wifes push them along the material path and they go because sex is a big motivator. Sorry sisters but I sure see a lot of you treating your men wrong.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:34 pmESTMy major question about these women is where do they get the ENERGY? I can’t possibly conceive in sinking all that time and effort into marital politics. If my husband actually gave a damn who gets to control the house, you’d never know I lived here. As it is, between the guns, the computer parts, the home theater system, the beer gear, and the car parts, the most significant evidence that I do is on the bookshelves and the scattered art supplies. He’s not domineering; I just don’t care.
I will say, though, that as a member of the “only owns enough shoes as are strictly needed, spends less time in the bathroom than most men, is horrified by the way men are treated on TV” tribe of modern Amazons, until you get to a certain age, being like this renders you fucking invisible to other males your own age. It takes them awhile to see any advantage with the plain-but-sane over the hyper-groomed and hyper-crazed.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:38 pmESTThat, my dear, is a thing of beauty. And my new motto.
I think inhaling all those grooming products makes these women crazy. Destroys vital synaptic and neuronal activity. Seriously.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pmESTOn the other end of the spectrum, I live like this to some degree. 85% of the decisions are made by my wife, HOWEVER, I get nothing but respect from her. She does not disrespect me in public or around other people. She did once and she was reminded sternly how good she had it.
It’s not a matter of being a push over or less of a man. She just keeps me in better order. I’m more organized, our financial situation is more stable, and the decisions are just better for both of us. If I ran the roost with an iron fist, we’d be broke, the house would be a mess and we’d probably have more kids.
SgtPep
July 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pmESTWhen my ex and I were looking for a house, I made it very clear that all I insisted upon having was a)a secure place to store my (600+) guns and do my reloading; and b)my own bathroom.We found a place that she ABSOLUTELY LOVED!!!!, but which had niether of my requirements. When she started to turn all whiney on me, I informed her - in front of the realty agent and another couple looking at the house - that she was welcome to get it, but that I was afraid that I couldn’t pay her enough alimony to meet the mortgage payments. I was serious. She knew it. We found a place that fit the bill nicely. [As an aside, the male half of the other couple there gazed upon the wonderfulness of my self with something akin to awe and envy in his eye.]
July 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pmESTThere was a time when I thought that the rapid spread of Islamic Sharia Law in the West was a 100% bad thing. Now, I think there may be a few good side-benefits of a tiny bit of Sharia Law.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:40 pmESTThe 20-somethings with whom I work, the gaggle of gossiping, back-biting gals, who talk about their husband and boyfriends as if they are total morons, give me another reason everyday to be grateful I was born gay. (Sometimes more than one reason.)
In their defense, however, a guy has to let them get away with behaving that way.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:49 pmESTPeople,
On the accounts of various Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence experts, fully immersive virtual reality sex, that is good enough to compete with the real thing, may be just 15 years away.
Male ingenuity will defeat Bridezilla bitchiness, in good time.
When that happens, combined with a world that by than has a lot more Muslims than today, spoiled Western women will have their chickens come home to roost.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:50 pmESTummm…I counted. I own 17 pairs of shoes. But. But! In my defense, I paid for six of them (three pair of hiking boots in the last 20ish years [the old ones are kept around for lawn mowing duty], one pair of climbing shoes, one pair of tennis shoes and one pair of dress shoes), the rest were hand me downs. My dad has the same size feet I do, well, actually his are a little bigger but he wore the same size shoe I do for years and that f’d up his feet, so recently he gave me all his shoes/boots and bought new ones that actually didn’t hurt his feet. So I have three nice pair of cowboys boots, an extra pair of “good” leather hiking boots, and a pair of work boots and a pair of tennis shoes all from dad. And I’ve got five pairs of combat boots, but they were free as well. And it’s nice to have several pairs of boots to wear to work so that when one gets stinky I can switch to the next. And I keep a pair of lawn mowing boots at both my sister’s and my parents because both are known to say “Hey, while you’re here: mow the yard, please.” It’s not like I’m a shoes horse or anything.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:56 pmESTSuprised no one has mentioned that the absolute worst excuse for music has to be H&G. Snippits of awful stuff that changes with each scene. Non related. Melody? Harmony? Rhythm? None of the above. Heck, even rap is better….and that stuff represents (almost) the bottom of human achievement. My wife at least lets me mute the awful sound…that way I’ll tolerate that crappy stuff.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:59 pmESTThe Better Half and I decided years ago when we bought our house (which is over 120 years old, btw) that she could fix the inside any way she wanted to, and I would take care of the outside. Four decks, a swimming pool and multitudinous rose bushes later, I’m beginning to think she got the better end of that deal.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:05 pmESTBy the way, isn’t it “Shark Week”?
July 15th, 2008 at 5:08 pmESTMy wife has noted the self-absorbed nature of the women on HGTV. Of course, I am eternally grateful for her sweetness and good-natured common sense.
I think the reason the husbands on these shows defer to PITA wives is a) they were raised to be polite to the girl, especially in public, b) they know they will catch hell when the cameras go off if they show a stiffened spine, and c) they are trying to stave off the weaponization of nooky.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:11 pmESTHey, I just had an idea :
1) Educate a ‘bridezilla’ or otherwise spoiled Western woman about Islam, and the restriction it places on women. Watch documentaries on Saudi Society, honor killings, etc.
2) Educate her on how Islam is spreading in the West, and how it has a firm foothold in Europe. Show her Islamic vs. non-Islamic birthrates in Britan, France, and even Canada.
3) Quietly buy a Koran, an Islamic prayer rug, and some other Islamic literature. QUIETLY pretend that you are actually thinking about converting, or at least adopting some principles of Islam into your life.
4) Justify your new interest in Islam by saying that ‘the West is moving in that direction anyway as they are outbreeding us’, and urge your bridezilla to adapt to this imminent reality.
5) If you can handle it, actually go to the local Mosque on a Friday, and tell your bridezilla how wonderful it was.
It will scare her to her senses. Try it.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:12 pmESTHmmmmm.
The day prostitution is legalized across the country, is the day men stop getting married.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:17 pmESTAmazing. The engagement ring has the gem, the wedding band doesn’t. Always. That’s how it works. If you’re a bling-obsessed lunatic, you then have him add a three-gem eternity ring for the first anniversary or something, you don’t start sticking gemstones on the wedding band like a four-year-old with a sequin gun.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pmESTMy wife can have all the closet space she wants as long as it doesn’t interfere with my gun-safe(s).
July 15th, 2008 at 5:25 pmESTI guaran-damn-tee you she is dropping at least that much at Starbucks every week without even thinking about it.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:26 pmEST“The day prostitution is legalized across the country, is the day men stop getting married.”
That is the wrong attitude to have. Men can’t possibly want to have kids, according to you.
Prostitution is legal in Nevada, and in Europe. According to you, you only have to move to Nevada or Europe. So why haven’t you?
Lastly, I know a couple of men who got divorced because HE didn’t want to have sex with his wife. The wife was not ugly either. The man simply had emotional/psychological challenges.
Even Teri Hatcher was married to a man who refused to have sex with her. It CAN happen.
So stop leaving unintelligent comments saying a (good) wife is still no more useful than a prostitute.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:32 pmESTTood,
Unfortunately, you are correct on the subject of Islam. They’ll simply outbreed us. throw in a culture that doesn’t care about itself, doesn’t want to have stable relationships, couldn’t give a shit whether the military protects them or not and I can guarantee you we will see the end of Western Civ. I work at a university, and I see this leftist horseshit all the time (want to talk about motivation to swing hard right ideologically). In fact, just a few minutes ago I just saw someone in their car in the parking lot with the bumper sticker “Bush Lied, People Died” (aw…how adorable). Of course he had Ontario licence plates, so that explains a lot. Friggin Canucks…
July 15th, 2008 at 5:37 pmESTFYI - $250,000 will get you a 500 square foot studio in a high floor of a walkup with no view in Hoboken, NJ.
Across the river in Manhattan (South of Harlem), you need to find a roommate and kick in more than $250,000 each for the same low-end shoebox (total cost is $500-$700k). Prices average $1,200 per square foot.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:41 pmESThttp://www.millersamuel.com/reports/pdf-reports/MMO2Q08.pdf
I worked for a Middle Eastern company right when I moved to DC. Everyone who was Middle Eastern was a practicing Muslim - you know who were the scary ones? The wives! I even joked about it to one of my bosses that there is the notion that the women were weaker and he looked at me and said he had aunts that were flat out scary….
So I don’t necessarily know if that’s the way to go.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:41 pmESTI agree wholeheartedly with the entire post. I’m currently engaged to be married in a few months. After my fiancee and I were engaged she started watching all those wedding shows on TLC, HGTV etc. The banality of most of them almost made my eyes bleed, or reconsider having the ceremony and reception rather than eloping. However the Coup de Grace was Bridezilla. That was worse than ever watching “My Sweet Sixteen” on MTV. In fact I realized how all of the girls from my sweet sixteen were destined to turn out; as the manic, overwrought, selfish, hateful, egotistical brides to be on Bridezilla. I told my fiancee after I watched an episode that if she was to be like that (I never believed that she would) tahn I would cancel the ceremony, and that if she ever wanted me to get married than that show better never be on in the house again when I’m around. I almost broke the new TV.
On a side note, we watch House Hunters frequently, and something that has always bugged me is the repetitive usage of the word “man-room”. This is sometimes used by the men themselves, but is usually used by the woman or by the realtor. Basically the exchange goes: Woman: “Oh this dark, dank basement is perfect for your man room” (Hint: Please don’t bring yourself out in front of normal company); Man: “Yeah, great a place for all of my cool stuff.” (Hint: Please let me be). The whole exchange is usually insulting, and reminds me of a mother telling a child that one room of the house is the play room, and all toys must be kept in there.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:42 pmESTMy ass is looking up plane tickets as we speak.
Seriously, I wouldn’t even pay for the sex, just for the company. That’s all, just some pretty girl willing to pretend for five #$%^damned F&^%ing minutes that she enjoys my company and is genuinely interested in me.
Sigh.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:53 pmESTBrooke,
Those aunts were not scary enough to ditch the burqa. Plus, many Arab countries are places where women are not allowed to work, drive a car, or show even their uncovered hands in public. Whatever femimist movement exists there is not getting anywhere.
Anyway, the purpose of pretending to be interested in Islam is to scare the Bridezilla. She won’t do enough research to actually talk to real Muslim women who may have more freedom.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:54 pmESTI’m with you, man. I don’t know what makes some guys put up with that. We got lucky.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:56 pmESTLabRat sez:
That’s probably why hubby’s 9 years older than me.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:58 pmESTI’ve actually taken my wife out to buy shoes - she’s very difficult to fit (square 4E feet) and basically had suffered her way through life in tennis shoes that she’d wear until she ripped out the sides… and then buy the next pair.
She now has some black “low quarter” type shoes (try and find 4E pumps, just try) that actually fit her, and we’re trying to find a pair of dressier white shoes with fairly low heels as well….
Oh, and as far as the house was concerned, we both went through a lot of houses until we figured out what was important to each other… and in this house I got my railroad layout room.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:00 pmESTOnly thing missing is enough linen closet space. Gotta get rid of some towels or something.
I feel like telling a lot of the men that I see on HGTV to grow a set. They are complete Nancy boys. My wife gave up 500 pairs of shoes and probably 600 purses to move into my (now our) 1924 vintage bungalow. The closets are very small in our house because people back then were happy with a lot less. Some of the shows on HGTV that show the woman riding herd on the whipped husband are perfect examples of the wussification of the American male.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:03 pmESTMaya,
That’s not what JEREMY told me about the age difference between you two … : )
JK. He actually wanted to tell you howdy! We talked about you and hubby and your contributions to the department at advising just yesterday.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:04 pmESTTwo things:
1. I live in Nevada, and, by my count, less than 50 miles from a legalized brothel.
2. I used to be married to one of the HGTV-esque women.
I can tell you precisely how it is that a lot of guys end up with women like that - they’re raised to. It took seven and a half years to realize that all the crap I was fed when I was a kid about how the man must simply give the woman what they want, “make their dreams come true”, and “not be selfish” was a load of horseshit. It leads to a dissatisfied wife who has no respect for you, it leads to you being a miserable wretch, and it leads to both “partners” using every means at their disposal to get back at one another, including the pocketbook and the bedroom.
It’s not healthy.
The real key is quite simple: Do what you want to do, make sure your partner is doing what she wants to do, respect each other, and life is good. With my first wife, I had a kid - within 24 hours, we were already driving each other nuts, with her demanding that I do more around the house, stay awake when she’s awake, and me pushing back as hard as I could. By contrast, with my current significant other, we just had a child, and we couldn’t be happier. I voluntarily do nearly everything around the house, cleaning-wise, while she voluntarily does most of the kid maintenance stuff (feeding - breastfed kid, after all). She naps while I clean. I sleep at night (mostly). Both of us still have our sanity and a smile on our face.
Dear womankind: Men will move the world for you if you let them want to. The instant you make it a chore so you can have your little power trip is the instant you’ve made your husband into a stubborn ass that will only do something to help you when you nag him enough to make it more unpleasant to not do what you want than it is to leave you a frustrated, angry mess.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:04 pmESTPssst… Lincoln… ittybartay.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:08 pmESTJeff,
You ever try Zappos.com? They seem to have a nice selection of extra wide shoes.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:09 pmESTROFL
July 15th, 2008 at 6:12 pmESTHere’s exactly what I expect of Mr. M.
Come home to me everday. Preferably in one piece.
Bring money on the first day of every month to help pay bills.
You know how much.
Love the children and discipline them when needed.
Teach the short man how to be a good, strong and true man.
Everything else is incidental and open for negotiation (except for “Cold Case Files” and “South Park”. I am addicted to those stupid shows).
I don’t need to win on small stuff. I already won when I got Mr. M. 19 1/2 years ago.
You’re laughing and calling bullshit, or possibly gagging. That’s okay.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:13 pmESTI wouldn’t believe me either.
Lincoln,
Thanks - just hit it, unfortunately when I put in 4E (any size, any heel, any price) it came up with black & brown shoes… some of which looked remarkably like the ones she now has.
BTW, anyone else think it’s ironic that “Date my Ex-” is one of the banner ads running across the top of this post?
July 15th, 2008 at 6:18 pmESTStephen W. Stanton:
Wow. $250,000 in DFW will get you quite a NICE house.
I spent less than half of that on my house several years ago - almost 2,500 sf (4 bed, 2 1/2 bath, nice neighborhood with plenty of kids, creek lot. My house is midsize for my neighborhood, and I live in one of the nicer suburbs of Dallas. I bought it as a single mom on an admin’s salary. My mortgage company qualified me for over $170,000, but:
1) I didn’t need that much house and
2) I’m not stupid.
I have family in CA and at one time in my life would have loved living there - but I knew if I did that I’d never be able to afford a house.
On the Bridezillas…why not just go to Vegas? That’s what my husband and I did. I found a beautiful little chapel off the strip that provided everything one needs for a wedding. Our friends and family flew in on vacation. We were picked up by a limo, service was by a minister, photographer and videographer were provided. The makeup/hair guy came to my hotel room and did a fabulous job.
The entire trip plus wedding cost less than $2,000. And we stayed in the Venetian - most beautiful hotel room I’ve ever been in.
The most stressful part was doing the research online and making the decision without seeing the place first. Thankfully, it was exactly as portrayed.
Have done the regular “wedding” thing. Believe me, it’s not worth the stress. Doing Vegas was MUCH easier. I highly recommend it to anyone considering marriage.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:22 pmESTI’d like to add that I grew up with misconceptions of my own too. I always thought women wanted romance in a relationship more than anything, and that looks to them didn’t matter so much as personality did, since they weren’t visually oriented.
God in heaven what a heaping compost pile of steamy gooey bullshit that turned out to be. To most American women today, men are expected to be nothing more than a chiseled body operating as a sperm donor and a bank account.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:25 pmESTHere you go, guys … the best philosophy ever, if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life … !
Because, as felicity says, there’s always a song.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:27 pmESTClosets? People are worried about closet space? Try driving through your average middle-class neighborhood on a Saturday morning when the garage doors are open. Most American families have the garage so thoroughly crammed with crap, they can’t get a car inside. And then they go out and rent a storage locker for all the junk they neither use nor even think about. Or have a walk through your local WalMart. Try to identify something that won’t be in the county landfill within a year. I dare’s ya.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:27 pmESTHitchin’ Post and then the Coeur d’ Alene Casino!
Yeah, baby!
July 15th, 2008 at 6:31 pmEST14k: I ain’t laughing. That’s about how my rationale goes, except for the kids, since we haven’t any. For item 3 I’d have probably substituted “treat me with the same kindness and respect I treat you with”, but I don’t actually have to tell him that.
Mutual respect and mutual affection would appear to be rarer things than anyone would like to imagine.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:33 pmESTI call bullshit on this. For one, I have found all liberal women to be butt-baggy-shag f’ugly, so in essence this song is telling me I should marry a liberal.
And this is good for me…. how again?
July 15th, 2008 at 6:34 pmESTMany years ago I was trying to sell my old beat-up car. I asked $350 and was willing to take $200 for it (this was 1977). A radical feminist looked at it and offered $200, which would have been OK, but I tried to negotiate and she wouldn’t budge.
OK then, and I walked away. The principle that I wasn’t going to be a doormat meant more than the $200. Finally she relented and we made a deal at $215. BFD.
Moral is that in any transaction (business, romance, whatever), the party who cares less always wins. Men are getting to care less and less with each passing day.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:35 pmESTIndeed. Look at this sample of left-wing women vs. normal women. It is almost as though nature created leftists to weed waste matter out of the gene pool.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:36 pmESTDear Lincoln,
As a member of the female liberal species, I take offense at that. You have no idea if I’m pretty or not. Besides, whether or not I’m pretty doesn’t mean a damn thing when I’m trying to prove my point. Besides, I’ll take looking like Scarlett Johansson any day over looking like Ann Coulter.
XOXO
July 15th, 2008 at 6:42 pmESTBrooke
Paules made an *excellent* point about how people have so much stuff. My husband tries to tell me that we have too much stuff for our 1450 sq. ft. home (and we have about 2500 sq. ft. of garage space) and I call bullshit on a regular basis. We have what we have and we make our stuff fit the space. Why we have turned into a mass consumer society is beyond me.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:44 pmEST@Brooke: Physical appearance is not the only criteria by which I define beauty, so nyah nyah nyah. =P
July 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pmESTLincoln, I’ll donate toward the airfare for your Nevada trip to the “ittybartay” if it will bring back your sense of humor.
Dude, you need to get laid. SRSLY.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:50 pmESTI’ve been deploring the confusion of gender relations my whole life. How the heck are guys supposed to act anyway? Do they open the door or not, do they pay, or not…WTF. I’m glad I’m not a guy! However, finding a guy, now that I’m over 40, who isn’t broken, whipped to death, or barely breathing has become a comical farce with tragic overtones. And the sad thing is, I can empathise their plight.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:56 pmESTAmen to that! I would be disgusted by living with a eunuch ground under my boot heel and would dump his ass post-haste. You can probably tell I prefer a challenge in life. A “stepford husband” would bore the hell out of me. Whiny ass girly boy fathers produce worthless disrespectful shitstain sons.
I married a partner who was a man, because I want a partner who is and will continue to be a man.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:58 pmESTI used to work with prostitutes, and apparently your attitude isn’t that uncommon. About 30-40% of their clients didn’t want sex, they wanted a hug and/or someone to talk to. Particularly the 35+ age range.
I kind of see why, now.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:59 pmESTPfffft, I’ve gone 31 years without getting laid, and I’m doing just fine and dandy in this comfy padded room those nice folks in white were kind enough to give me.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pmESTLincoln/David Colborne
I live in Nevada too and pass three brothels on my commute to work each day. Since I am in a good marriage, they are neither an option nor desirable to me, but if I weren’t I would be daunted by the cost. According to the local papers, business is off these days, but it’s still an expensive proposition.
On the other hand, the value of the first time may be worth it.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:05 pmESTBrook, physically I see little different between Ann Coulter or ScarJo… and neither of them actually hold much interest for me.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:07 pmESTBoy, am I lucky! We and most of our couple friends have been married to our first spouses forever, and all had small weddings. Ours might have been the largest, with about 9 people present.
When it came time to build a house to replace the shack that we lived in (the acreage came first!), we couldn’t decide on a plan, so we built the barn first. The house came 3 or 4 years later, and the barn STILL comes first. Remodeled a bit, she now has a woodshop instead of horse stalls.
We’ll be going camping this w/e at an antique tractor/engine show and will celebrate 44 years while there. Dinner will be hotdogs, beer later.
Ask me again if I still love her!
July 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pmESTSpeaking of why men don’t want to get married, I found this gem on ajc.com last night.
http://www.ajc.com/health/content/shared-blogs/ajc/parenting/entries/2008/07/13/why_my_husbands.html
July 15th, 2008 at 7:29 pmESTMy wife has lived in this country for 5 years and says she can’t understand how anyone in their right mind would marry an American woman. I tell her the thought never crossed my mind.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:36 pmEST1) 14k: tell Jeremy Hi from us next time you see him
2)we had to sacrifice quite a bit of both of our worldly possesions to move across the country, but good thing I only have the OCCASIONAL irrational attachment to inanimate objects. Because of this, we had to buy lots of furniture to fill up the house, and we can fit one car in the 2-car garage. The other stall holds the lid to the Jeep.
3) the discussion of marrying a man, not a pretty face got me thinking of my friend talking about how lucky I was to have a hubby who could (and likes to) do the fix-it stuff around the house.
4) This thread has really proven very useful in my whole outlook on married life. Thank you to all the honest guys here saying what worked and didn’t work in your lives!
July 15th, 2008 at 7:38 pmESTDude! You must have forearms like Popeye and a grip that could crush a full can of Schlitz! GO TO VEGAS!
July 15th, 2008 at 7:43 pmESTOT
Sunny’s head may swell up even bigger. She’s on Icanhashotdog
July 15th, 2008 at 7:55 pmESTCharity begins at RCHL’S!
Send donations to RCHL’s Paypal account in care of:
Operation GET LINCOLN LAID!
July 15th, 2008 at 7:56 pmESTSend me money or I’ll die (a virgin)
July 15th, 2008 at 8:00 pmESTYou know what I hate most of all on TV shows? Sassy women. God, I LOATHE that all these women are supposed to be ’sassy’ and the guys all totally love it. Sassy in tv speak tends to mean rude as hell with absolutley no manners at all. Shut up tv. I haven’t noticed that with house hunters (although totally agree with the ‘would you like to see the yard?’ rant), but this is true of lots of shows. Hell, look at the sex and the city movie. I need a giant closet, big. Destroy an entire room so I can have one that is just for me. Shut up Carrie.
The mere fact that bridezilla’s exists is enough to hate it.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:16 pmESTI am single. Have several pets. We like each other and get along smashingly. Truly don’t need the headaches that a wife brings. Plus it cost me a small fortune to divorce the first one - don’t want to do that again.
I used to collect things, but when a coworker pointed out that collecting is a form of mental illness, and I looked at it in that light, I sold all my stuff on eBay.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:18 pmESTOh hell — Maggie’s gonna have to kill something now to get Rachel’s attention …!
July 15th, 2008 at 8:25 pmESTYou forgot the other HH set up. Just had a kid with a 2000+ square foot house and now she thinks they need to move on to something bigger? My god, how did humans reproduce and raise children in those tiny NYC apartments for most of the 20th Century? [Insert HomeDepot ad here: My wife thinks....]
July 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pmESTA soulmate. I love you.
July 15th, 2008 at 8:36 pmESTI heart Rachel Lucas.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pmESTI think this whole conversation, in a wierd way, has something to do with Hollywood/Mass Media. I think it must have happened in the 1970s. All of a sudden, men were supposed to be “pretty”, and women were no longer allowed to be, well, women. We’ve all seen it, the heroes in the movies may be all buffed out, but they’ve shaved all they’re body hair off. And the heroines can kick the crap out of any guy around. These emasculated guys and brides from hell are about the right age to have grown up being bombarded with these kind of images. Actually, I kind of feel sorry for them. When I was a boy - born 1957 - my heroes were my Dad (only saw him cry once, when his mom died), A.J. Foyt and the Marlboro man. You young men (18 to 25) out there, be like Rupert! Join up and become a man! Maybe you’ll attract a “Wachel” some day.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pmESTWait, he what?
So was he severely brain damaged in an accident or is Teri Hatcher secretly riddled with STDs?
July 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pmESTRachel,
I love you. Will you please marry me? (Note: I’ll have to get divorced first.) I can’t believe that there is someone out there who thinks exactly like me!
The Duke
July 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmESTWhat is it about a organising a wedding that transforms some women into batshit crazy lunatics? Or was it that they were already crazy lunatics and the wedding-organisation bit just provides the ‘batshit’ adjective?
And how come it evolved that your wedding day is supposed to be the happiest day of your life? Talk about setting something up to crumble miserably under the weight of unrealistic expectation.
Don’t get me wrong, I love going to weddings - and I think that people saying they’re going to do their very best to love and adore this partner for the rest of their life in front of their nearest and dearest- is a very cool thing to do.
So why, so often, do they disintergrate into emotional car crashes?
July 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmESTBrooke, I don’t think you want to start this fight.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pmESTYa, we watch HH with many of the same observations. I’ve actually commented to my wife about the “closet wars” on several occasions.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:24 pmESTI’ve even seen episodes (3) where the woman has asked/tricked/pushed the husband literally into the closet and closed the door. How’s that for Freudian?
And don’t get me started on men’s representations in commercials…..sad.
Maybe Teri H is a Tranny!?! If “it” is, “it’s” a damn good lookin one!
July 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pmESTBack to the original story…I don’t know what the big deal is with closet space. Generally, men have a ‘place for their stuff’ and it ain’t the closet. It is the garage, The gun safe, the work shop, the shed, the basement (I REALLY miss my old basement) or any number of other places that we can tear stuff up and rebuild it. Closets are for clothes and…actually, that is it, just clothes.
In fact, I would go so far as to guess that if a guy is complaining that he doesn’t have enough space in the closet, he should probably look for another boyfriend / life partner.
I’m a single, hetero guy. My kids bought me two of those swing out pants hangers (they hold 4 each) and a couple of tie hangers. A dozen or so hangers for nice shirts and I’m using less than 2 feet of closet space. The rest of the closet is filled with guitar cases and other stuff that could easily go somewhere else.
For you single guys, just be careful of leaving the closet ‘too empty’ when you have sleep overs with your special someone. I suggest using the box method. A lady friend can keep as much stuff as she wants at your house as long as it all fits in a cardboard box. Put her name on it so she knows it is hers. I’ve done the 1 drawer thing before and the stuff WILL eventually grow to another drawer and then part of the closet etc. the next thing you know, you got feminine hygine products under your bathroom sink that you forget about. Then the next girl comes along and gets ticked off when she goes snooping. Don’t do it. I’m just saying.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:34 pmESTSorry I’m so late to the party.
When my 2 sons were 18 and 21 respectively (they are 24 and 27 now), I told them both that I was sorry that they were born at a time when the world apparently believed they were ’stupid, dumb, wrong, and totally terrible’ for no other reason than they were men. Every sitcom has the dopey father who embarasses the family, the incompetent boob of a dad who can’t fix the toaster.
July 15th, 2008 at 9:50 pmESTKeep up the good fight Rachel!
L
hehe.
Lotsa great replies here, and some NOT so great.
(Y’all KNOW who ya are)
As ta Rachel’s OP:
Just more of the MSM’s propaganda ta instill
disrespect fer REAL MEN, and further the agenda
of the PUSSIFICATION of America. Thru the media
and thinly disguised intimidation. I ain’t buyin’ it. And I make it a POINT ta dismiss that sheeit.
I guess they hope that KIDS watch this crap,
and take their cues on how ta live life from this.
Emasculate the men, all else will follow. That seems ta be the consensus of modern TV, since
“Married with Children.” (Al Bundy) Hmm…
I’ll cut this short in respect ta Rachel and NOT
go on a lengthy rant. Another time or place.
Fer those guys who were HOPEFULLY deceived inta
marryin’ some psycho bitch:
Kick her ta the curb. Literally.
Now, Rachel, I take offense at the “helmet”
remark! Helmets are only fer football, LOTSA rain, and extreme COLD! hehe…
(All due respect ta Joe)
July 15th, 2008 at 10:10 pmESTMy boyfriend pointed out your site to me and I am so glad that he did. One, you had me rolling with this entry, so thanks for the much-needed laughs. Two, I am so glad to see that I am not the only female who feels this way.
As for Bridezillas, I have not seen too much of that show, but, as someone who has been singing in weddings for 20 years, I have experienced more than enough of it firsthand. I do not understand why any woman would want to be a bridezilla, unless she is trying to get revenge on her partner and/or parents, wants to completely alienate her friends, and/or is secretly an overly militant, man-hating, femi-nazi, who wants to turn all men gay.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pmESTWondering Woman Says:
I want to shoot my TV when the househunter says “oh, this (2,000 sq ft kitchen)will be just great for entertaining”.
Funny, but I roll my eyes when the househunter looks at some tricked-up nook, usually 2 wire bistro chairs & a table, in a 900 sq. ft. house and declares “it’s perfect for entertaining.” I mean, the house is like a gerbil cage for humans, and she thinks she can host the next Super Bowl bash.
My husband’s very sweet. He says my decorating tastes are better than his, so he lets me have run of the house. So I let him have command of the yard. He can plant or build whatever he likes, I don’t mind. He likes working outdoors anyway.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:28 pmESTA friend of mine lives in Afghanistan. Granted, it’s in the north, which has historically been less crazy radical. But in this world of absolute gender segregation and oppression, her first general comment about the Afghan home is that ‘the woman rules the roost’.
Since the days of cave mannin’ chick clubbin’ hair draggin’, women have been finding ways to strike back in kind. Women ‘rule the roost’. But the funny thing about it is, it’s ‘in kind’. Liberal women whine about male dominance, but what most of them mean is ‘we wish women were dominant instead’.
Men have a genetic predeliction toward dominance, especially when compared to women as a whole. Good luck beating men at their own game. Most feminist whiners aren’t complaining about male dominance as a wrong, but rather that the tables should simply be turned.
Ladies, good luck finding a man of integrity… after you’ve finished cutting the balls off of every man in sight.
July 15th, 2008 at 10:34 pmESTAn extra 16 dollars, and what do you get?
July 15th, 2008 at 10:44 pmESTA really nice house and not so much debt.
Saint Peter, don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go.
I sold my soul to be married to a whore.
Al only pretended to take crap.
A few anecdotal excerpts:
And lest ye forget, NO MA’AM.
Al Bundy was the passive-aggressive, screw-you, he-man-woman-hater’s club husband. He may have been put upon, but he was NEVER dominated. A truly pussified man would never even CONSIDER mumbling these phrases under his breath, let alone offering them as off-the-cuff quips du jour.
This was one of the first shows my husband and I enjoyed together as a couple. The over-the-top passive-aggressive couple aspect was exactly why.
Long live Ed O’Neill and Katy Sagal (didja know she is the voice of Leela in Futurama? : )
July 15th, 2008 at 10:44 pmESTWell, you’re stupid for thinking this is real.
All reality TV shows are scripted. The audience of this show is women, and this is television’s idea of what most women want. Men complain to each other about their wives. Women complain to each other about their husbands. This is just poorly written girl talk.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:03 pmESTThank goodness I’m SINGLE!
Kate, I think these Bridezillas were already psychobitches; planning the wedding only brought her ‘charms’ to the surface…
July 15th, 2008 at 11:06 pmESTThis kills me:
I kid you not, if someone offered me 50,000 for this place I’ll walk out the door today. I have about 4 acres and a two-story farmhouse with a loafing shed out back and some fruit trees in the field. Any takers? You’d be about 45 minutes from Springfield, MO and about 4 miles from one of the best fishing lakes in the state.
As far as those idiot brides-to-be are concerned, if I were a man I would run as quickly as possible as far as possible. These shows are precisely why couples can’t stay together any more. They all think they’re supposed to act like that. Sir Mugley and I have been married for almost 32 years. We have a lot in common, one of those things being neither one of us has a closet. By the way, he has more shoes than I do.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pmESTI think they already have this, except they renamed it “America’s Got Talent”.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:27 pmESTMighty Samurai,
I’m still willing to go there, as I’d STILL rather look like Scarlett Johansson than any of those women. Jesus, blondorexics much?
XOXO-
July 15th, 2008 at 11:31 pmESTBrooke
Hmm, well I try to keep in shape and I do eat spin…… oh.
=P
July 15th, 2008 at 11:46 pmESTI believe it. For whatever reason women (American women in particular) have turned into icy cold heartless hags from hell. I find it rather disconcerting to have grown up thinking women were affectionate touchy feely creatures who live for romance, only to find out that was all a load of bunny crap.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:52 pmESTHell even I’d prefer to look like Scarlett Johansson. At least then I could feel my own boobies and not be so upset about being alone all the time.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:55 pmEST14K, please do not make feeble attempts to argue with me or contradict me. I wanna jus’ be friendly on here, OK?
Nice assortment of quotes, tho! LOL!
Jus’ ta clarify my point, Al Bundy was the
brunt of most every male-demeaning joke from his whole family, (Bud got a buncha shots too) and NOT in the Barney Fife style. WTF? No Honor anymore
fer the MEN?
Both the father and the son WERE DOMINATED!
I do NOT give a rip if they mumbled back, or
retaliated covertly, Al and Bud lost respect.
THAT was one of the MAIN premises of the show.
That show opened the door to alla the other crap we see now.
As far as I know, it was the first. Ya see, I was deployed in a nasty cold Eastern European place back then, no TV’s there. I missed a lot…
14K, no hard feelins here. Take care.
“Molon Labe”
July 16th, 2008 at 12:45 amESTRachel, BTW.
I hate stupid realtors, too.
Now can we talk about dogs and guns and stuff?
July 16th, 2008 at 12:53 amESTDon’t worry. I am pretty sure I am the only one who ever has, or at this point, ever will try to engage, react, welcome specifically of respond to your commentary.
Hey, I tried to be engaging and welcoming with a laughable post.
Sorry you preferred to not respond in kind.
No hard feelings back. But I won’t engage with someone who considers me feeble and contradictory when I post something amusing, and not remotely offensive or flame-worthy, as a response.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:06 amESTI find myself looking at the comments here and being somewhat in shock. Apparently, a lot of the men here have run into a batch of women who are not at all like 99% of the women I know. Then again, I do not exactly surround myself with selfish, prissy women, because those type of women annoy me. Maybe some have been hurt, I get sometimes women get standoffish after that, but geez, if I went on what I saw here, I would think women in general were cold, heartless, selfish, hoes. Then, again, I do not know where most of you are at and perhaps that has something to do with it.
I am from Kentucky, and hospitality and warmth are something I have always experienced, and been taught to extend to others, and NOT the false Martha Stewart type crap either. My friends, family, and I, are all very huggy and inviting. When it comes to romance, granted, I am less likely to trust men after a bad batch of boyfriends, but I could never see turning into an ice princess. My current boyfriend renews my faith in men every day, and makes me feel romantic. He does so by being sweet to me, treating me like a lady, and I try to make him feel special in turn, but he doesn’t try to force it. I think when it’s forced or men think it has to be some grand thing from a movie, that is what messes it up. Women do want romance, for some that is just knowing why you love them, just trying to show you care, and for it not to stop “once you have them where you want them,” whether that is in bed or married.
For what it is worth, when you find a woman of integrity, and someone who really loves you, she will not care about having the biggest house, most expensive wedding, or any of that other garbage. She will care about YOU, and having a good life with you and any children you may have, and taking care of each other. That’s what I care about anyways. And, a woman like that, doesn’t want a man who is overly macho, nor whipped, but a man who is strong enough to stick to his guns when need be, be a full and equal partner, compromise EQUALLY AND FAIRLY so that both parties are truly happy, none of that putting men down or getting only what the woman wants garbage; and, to let her know she doesn’t always have to be “the strong one.”
July 16th, 2008 at 1:16 amESTHey Heather,
Have you read what the women here have said? It’s just so damn tough for our conservative young men to find conservative young women in this society. Case in point — there was absolutely nothing even remotely similar to “Girls Gone Wild” when I was that age.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:25 amESTWe were a tad crazy compared to our parents, but still laughably conservative given today’s standards.
Our well-raised young men are pretty much constrained to waiting until the girls mature into young ladies and return to the conservative ideology from whence they originate. Otherwise, they choose to attempt a marrige during the “entitled leetle beetch” period, and the divorce rate soars.
JMHO.
I see no other option.
These days, I hardly watch tv anymore. I prefer to get my information and entertainment online - blogs and mmorpg games for me.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:33 amESTRachel,
There are two main reactions to continued abuse - rolling over, becoming the sweet bitch some dog owners want (so they beat the puppy until it acts ’sweet’, sort of a Helsinki Syndrome) - or withdraw. While some of these abusive ladies crow their conquest, they fail to notice they have already lost their husband. The passive-aggressive resistance and sabotage just hasn’t built up to register on their radar yet.
If people would communicate, instead of continuing to play children’s high school taunting games, fewer women would crow their way through divorce to poverty.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:35 amEST14 Karat,
Yes, I saw what the women have said. I should have been more clear that I was going on what the men have said. I had the exact opposite experience, the worst, and longest, of being the mature one while being with, what I refer to as an immature little boy, who had me fooled when we first met.
That said, I have never been anything but mostly conservative, nor have any of the close friends I have, but perhaps we’re an abnormality these days?
A lifelong friend of mine who has lived all over the world, has told me that when it comes to the USA, it depends on which area of the country you are in, as to whether or not one is more likely to find a good, mature, conservative partner, at least when it comes to females. I am NOT saying he is correct, but going on what he told me, it’s mostly in the southeastern USA that one is more likely to find that. That has not been true for me though, my current boyfriend is from Indiana, and I have never had a man treat me like he does.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:46 amESTWisdom from a virgin older than you, Lincoln!
(40-year-old, if you haven’t seen the movie)
July 16th, 2008 at 1:51 amESTAgreed, Heather, but there are pockets of these wherever farm and ranch families reside. Conservatives are pervasive throughout society (usually rather quietly in certain segments of society, as in these areas it is almost a shameful admission, in my higher-education experience) but tend to congregate in higher percentages among those who are small-business owners and/or self employed.
Yes, you and your friends are a refreshing anomaly for which I am grateful to god. Awesome!
July 16th, 2008 at 1:57 amESTIt seems to be th fashion for TV shows - particularly adverts - to either emasculate men or to show that the woman is superior. Now, I don’t watch much TV and am in another country anyway but in this case, I’m guessing that the intended audience is primarily female and as such wants to feel good.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:55 amEST14K,
I was raised in the South where respect is shown.
And after 30 yrs in the USMC, I know how ta let things go. Even yer editing after my post, OK?
Once again, please act friendly here.
Thank ya.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:13 amESTI watched Bridezillas once. That’s all it took to completely turn me off of that show. If these, uh…ladies, are going to get that bent out of shape over a damn flower arrangement, God help them when something serious happens in their lives.
“I’m soooooooo stressed out right now!!!” Really? REALLY?? Then maybe they need to get out in to the world and experience life the way millions of others live it.
As for t.v. shows and commercials, I think what annoys me more than the “ladies” making statements that make the rest of us look bad, is the smart ass kids who make smart ass comments, as if their parents are clueless twits, and they get away with it and every laughs or acts like it’s cute or practically fall over themselves to apologize to the kid for being so stupid.
I don’t think that is cute or funny at all and I wish the networks would knock it off.
July 16th, 2008 at 6:54 amESTThis is a big part of why I recently canceled my cable TV. I just got tired of abuse of men, even physical abuse, being portrayed as acceptable or even funny.
Since canceling my cable I have also notice my hypochondria has disappeared! lol
I guess hearing the daily health scares news, the insistent calls to be checked for various disease, and the never ending health care product commercials (where the cure seems almost worse than the disease) made me a tad paranoid about my health. Who would have thought TV would have had such a negative impact ones outlook.
Anyway, I’m much happier now!
July 16th, 2008 at 7:32 amESTRachel: congrats on another Instalanche!
I was wondering why a) there were so many comments, and b) there were a lot of new names. At least no major scuffles have broken out (I’m watchin you, 14K, you behave yourself round all the uninitiated!).
July 16th, 2008 at 7:55 amESTI did no such thing, and if you don’t want anyone responding to your comments, then don’t comment in the first place.
I’ve already responded to you. I won’t be doing so again.
Sheesh.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:57 amESTThis seems an appropriate place for me to point out that I am single and, while perhaps not as hard-up as Lincoln, am looking for one of them nice girls like 14k and Heather…
July 16th, 2008 at 8:48 amESTMy girlfriend has agreed that if we get married we’re going to run off to Vegas and have an Elvis impersonator preside over the proceedings and just leave it at that.
Twas a time when you didn’t even NEED a damn ceremony. You just told everyone she was your wife and that was that.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:03 amESTI’m a 29 year old male, married less than a year after being together with her for 5 years.
I’ve been paying attention to stories like this- and the resulting discussion, as we’ve seen in this thread- for years.
Which is why I set the tone for our relationship early on, and very rarely have to reinforce it- I don’t remember when the last time I did was.
Anyway, a couple years ago the now-wife said something to me- perhaps it was around other people- that struck me as exactly the kind of disrespect I see deplored in this thread.
I set her straight immediately about what was acceptable and what wasn’t. I’ve only had to do it maybe once or twice since.
Occassionally I’ve chided myself for treating her with disrespect- I try to be conceintous about it- and she’s tuned me up a time or two as well. Again, all very rare.
We’ve got a great relationship and as best as I can tell from reading stuff like this thread, a very firm foundation for the future.
So that’s my advice to single guys- nip this trash in the bud the second it appears, reinforce what’s acceptable when you need to, and it will pretty quickly become effectively a non-issue.
My wife was a good woman to start with (of course), and she gets better every year.
To paraphrase an old quote, the price of a good marriage is eternal vigilance.
Engage in the small confrontations immediately and you’ll keep your course true.
\yeah, I know I’m only 29 and married one year, but I’ve never read anything from a pussy-whipped man who said he even tried this simple approach.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:09 amESTAs Charlie Sheen says, “I don’t pay ‘em for the sex, I pay ‘em to leave.”
July 16th, 2008 at 9:12 amESTSpot-on. My ex-girlfriend moved in with two suitcases of clothes and nothing else (long story…her old boyfriend stole all her stuff). Within a month she had taken over the entire apartment. Nothing, not even my storage room, was safe (she moved her washer and dryer in there). The closet, which really had nothing but clothes and the master tapes of my musical projects, became totally hers…there were like 40 pairs of shoes in there. Literally, the only space I had left was the chair at my computer. She deigned to let me sleep in the bed, of course, but I finally told her she had to pony up for the rent check or get out. It was just too much.
I haven’t let a girl move in with me since.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:15 amESTI hate kittens.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:16 amESTDude, quit complaining. 14 Karat was nothing but nice to you.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:18 amESTNow that’s just funny right there!
July 16th, 2008 at 9:19 amESTI’ll side with 14 Karat on Married with Children. The man on the show that was dominated was Jefferson, not Al or Bud.
Bud essentially did what he wanted, and would only help his sister if he saw an opportunity for himself or a because of her begging and pleading for help. He also was not above completely screwing her over when he could. And when she did backstab him, the one that usually gets the last laugh was Bud.
Al would also typically beat the odds and could often do what he wanted. He would mouth off directly to Peg, with no concern at all. You can claim that he was some beaten down dominated man but the truth was that he just really didn’t care. But when he did care things would have to go his way.
Jefferson was the one always subject to the whims of his wife and could only get back in a passive aggressive manner if at all. Always afraid of what Marcy might do and needing to hide his involvement with any NO MA’AM schemes.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:56 amESTCongrats on the Instalaunch.
Link…Seriously…you just need to not act so desperate. I swear the second you stop looking she will find you.
Have a little faith.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:11 amESTHeather - I had to drop down and reply when I saw your comment that you’re from KY and don’t know hardly any women who act like that. I know what you mean. We’re a different breed here in Kentucky (I live in Northern Ky, but work in Cincinnati). I have only personally met about 3 or 4 radical feminists in my life, and I read stuff like these comments and other things about how men are treated today with shock and wonder.
My wife is not the most wonderful woman in the world, but she promises that when she leaves, she’s not going to take me down that long road to hell that some people have been through. She’s also giving me custody of the kids, because she can’t handle them.
I regularly hold the door for women (and men, for that matter), and have only once gotten a snarky remark about it, I seldom hear women complaining that their men are idiots like some here have said, and people around here are generally polite as long as you treat them politely as well. It’s taken me quite some time to realize how insulated we are here, but I don’t mind at all, given what I hear from both men and women about how the rest of the country is going.
Update: WHEW! After I posted that, I read your reply to 14K, and suddenly I was worried you might be my niece (also named Heather)! Then I checked your MySpace page, and thank goodness, you’re not (we haven’t told the family about wifey leaving yet). She married someone I would refer to as a momma’s boy, and divorced him, but she’s married to a much better balanced man now.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:16 amESTseredw Says:
*raises hand* Guilt as charged. My poison is EQ.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:31 amESTConquest-
He was out to make a conquest
Didn’t care what harm was done
Just as long as he won
The prize
Conquest-
She was just another conquest
Didn’t care whose heart was broke
Love to him was a joke
’til he looked into her eyes
And then in the strange way things happen
The roles were reversed from that day
The hunted became the huntress
The hunter became the prey
Conquest-
July 16th, 2008 at 10:34 amESTNow you know who made the conquest
She, with all her female guile
Led him helpless down the aisle
She had finally made a conquest
mightysam:
July 16th, 2008 at 10:35 amESTWayneB,
I agree that we are a different breed. In my limited experience, I have to say that the few radical feminists I have known, have been that way after a really bad experience with men. I think they get so radical to keep from crying or to try to protect themselves, kind of how any wounded animal would do. I wasn’t radical feminist, but harsh with men for a very short period of time after my last ex and I split because that relationship very nearly destroyed me. But, it was also largely male friends who knew the real me who helped me get out of that, including the man I am now with. These women need to do the same. Not excusing them at all, just what I think part of it is, and if it continues past a certain period of time to heal, that explanation no longer works. JMHO on that.
No worries, couldn’t be your niece. I’ve never been married, close though, to a radical liberal. No I am not kidding. Love makes us do stupid things.
If I understand you correctly, I am very sorry about the split.
I love that you open doors for people. I do that as well, as does my boyfriend. It’s one of the things I love about him. Gentlemen, at least where I went to college, just a half hour or less from here, were incredibly hard to find, so when one is a gentleman, it is much appreciated.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:40 amESTI love the dippy women who have NO MONEY DOWN and are bitching about how the houses are “kind of small” - you’re lucky to live in a rabbit hutch you stupid cow! These are the same women who have NO down payment BECAUSE they spend all their money on $400 Manolo Blahnik shoes!
In other words, a true disconnect with reality!
July 16th, 2008 at 10:47 amESTLincoln - I was a virgin when I was married, a bit older than you. It can be done, and it is very rewarding. And no, I can’t crush full cans of Schlitz. =)
She is a wonderful woman. As was said above, I don’t need to win the small stuff: marrying her was full of win. Frankly I can’t believe I actually pulled it off.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:04 amESTYou’re dead on. I can not see spending that much EVER on any article of clothing. I do opera, and that is more than four times than the MOST I have ever had to pay for an entire outfit for a performance, beautiful ballgown, shoes, undergarments, etc. If one is stupid enough to spend that on ONE PAIR OF SHOES, they only have themselves to blame. They need to suck it up, and shut up.
I find myself annoyed with women who are like that and still can not figure out why they are alone. The ones who if married would be doing exactly what I saw about a week or so ago - not just going up $16/month, but talking their poor, already overworked husband into buying a home that is a hundred thousand or more over budget, and crying baby harder than they would if the man died until the husband caves despite making it clear that they can in no way afford the home. The poor man has this look that just says, “If I sell a kidney, lung, and part of my liver, and then still have to sell my soul to the devil to get her this, can I PLEASE get my balls out of her purse and at least get some?” Then, they still have to get some elderly relative to help them buy the place and move in to take care of their ten kids because they can no longer afford daycare, thanks to their wonderful new house and the man being part of the group that must have a subscription to the following:
Women like that give the rest of us a bad name. And, I do not think they are the majority, they are just the pushiest, loudest screaming, ones, so they make for better tv. Honestly, all I want in a house is for things to work properly, to be comfortable, a removable shower head, and a bathtub I can soak in; but, that does not make for high ratings, it’s normal and boring.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:13 amEST@nightfly: You inspire me with hope, but God do I hate you. =)
July 16th, 2008 at 11:26 amESTDamn, Heather, that’s just too eerie. My niece turned into a bitch for a while, too. I don’t know what turned her around, because she was living in Louisville until recently. This guy she married seems like a pretty good one (I knew the other one wasn’t, but I also knew she wouldn’t have listened to me). She just had a baby, too, YAY!
July 16th, 2008 at 11:44 amESTWayneB,
First congrats on your niece’s baby.
I don’t know that I would use the word bitch. I wasn’t mean or anything, just would say I did not buy romantic overtures as being anything more than an attempt at getting some; and, my Dad, wonderful as he is, did not help that. And, in order to keep from bawling my eyes out, because as bad as he was I was incredibly in love for nearly six years, I had to somewhat turn my emotions off in public for a bit, so I was not as affectionate or open as I usually am.
Some women go further than I did and lash out or are hateful to men. I just had a hard time trusting them and would sometimes crack horrible jokes, but only with people I knew could handle it. I was lucky to have men who knew I would fight crying in front of anyone who basically said, “I will kill him, now come here and lean on me and know it’s okay to cry.” And, these same men gave me hope that there were still good, available men out there.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:53 amESTHeather,
I am the PROUD queen of my husband’s 70s vintage double-wide!
Oh yeah, it is 1/4 mile away from the nearest neighbor, *almost* everything works, and it has a double-seater jacuzzi, baby ; )
…. that he installed. For me. Without my asking.
It may not make for good TV, but it’s a pretty damn good life!
July 16th, 2008 at 11:55 amESTI’ll tell you how those Bridezillas and stupid emasculating women on the home shows get to be that way. They learned it from their family. My mother would have never put up with me treating people that way, and my Dad would have backhanded me if I would have tried.
Weddings have gotten way out of hand. You really need to be thinking about how you are going to live the rest of your lives together and not hang your happiness on one day being perfect. When I got married, we had a church wedding, the wedding dinner was in the church hall, my Mom made the cake and all the food for 350 people. My Mother-in-law had the rehearsal dinner in her home the night before and she made all the food for that. I did buy a dress, and paid for it myself, but I made the bridesmaid dresses. Thirty years ago when I got married, this sort of do-it-yourself wedding wasn’t all that uncommon. Now people want everything perfect for their kids at all times and these “little princess” girls can not handle budgets or being told no. Since they have never had to consider anyone’s opinion, it doesn’t occur to them that their husband’s opinion even counts. Nobody else’s opinion ever has. And their relationships are all about “who wins”.
But, I think the shows are kind of educational, my girls and I have watched some of them and since we heap nothing but scorn on these women, I know my daughters will not act like this.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:56 amEST14 Karat,
That is AWESOME. I am so jealous of the jacuzzi. Where I live right now, I have to put my legs up on the wall to lean back in my bathtub and I am barely 5′2″!
Sounds like a good life. Gotta love when the one you love does sweet things like that without asking. It’s then that I think it really means the most.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:59 amESTYes, I must admit, I am one of the lucky ones! Oh, and someone mentioned the show Clean House. I actually watch this show, because it is, as my wife suggests, a cautionary tale. I think most people have it in them to collect crap they don’t need or even really want, just because we all have an innate desire to have “stuff.” And letting it go can be hard because it’s “MY” stuff. Granted, most of us do NOT live in squalor. But many of us could, with only a little encouragement, quickly spiral into a lifestyle where we would need shovel crap out of the way to find the bed. It isn’t hard to let things get out of hand, and once it starts, it quickly becomes too hard to take care of simple things like cleaning and organizing.
I am glad to say our house, while not spotless or completely free of crap, is very liveable. We never need to be ashamed to have people over and there is no need for a film crew to ever document us. But it wouldn’t take a lot for that to change. Shows like Clean House are important because they inspire us to take care of problems now instead of letting them fester. We see a show like this, and then we say “hey, let’s go clean the garage!”
So I absolutely see what Gullybabe is saying about the househunter-type shows. It is important for such shows to exist, and for bloggers like Rachel to comment about them, so that folks can see what DOESN’T work in a relationship. The people ON the show may be beyond hope, but anyone watching who can say “hmmm, I think this couple is in trouble,” still has a good shot at having a normal and healthy relationship.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:59 pmESTBig Bad Johnny Says @ July 15th, 2008 at 12:14 pm:
“As long as our wives keep having sex with us, they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want to. Period.”
It really is stunningly simple, yet almost all American Women cannot get it right.
-Feed him.
-Have frequent sex with him to his contentment.
-Leave him alone.
That’s all you need to do to keep most marriages sustainable. Yet most Women in America can not, will not, or do not.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:49 pmESTIt seems to me, many men WANT a woman like that, because it’s more comfortable than growing up. Rather than a partner, they get a mommy, who will boss them around and run their lives for them.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:08 pmESTI agree. On the surface Al Bundy seems like the typical emasculated male so common to tv sitcoms. But if you really think about it, most of his problems are due to his circumstances, not due to a domineering wife or a lack of cajones.
“You think I’m a loser? Because I have a stinking job that I hate, a family that doesn’t respect me, and a whole city that curses the day I was born? Well, that may mean loser to you, but let me tell you something. Every day when I wake up in the morning, I know it’s not going to get any better until I go back to sleep. So I get up. I have my watered-down Tang and my still-frozen Pop Tart. I get in my car with no gas, no upholstery, and six more payments. I fight honking traffic just for the privilege of putting cheap shoes onto the cloven hooves of people like you. I’ll never play football like I wanted to. I’ll never know the touch of a beautiful woman. And I’ll never know the joy of driving through the city without a bag over my head. But I’m not a loser. Because, despite it all, me and every other guy who’ll never be what they wanted to be, is out there, being what we don’t want to be, forty hours a week, for life. And the fact that I haven’t put a gun in my mouth, you pudding of a woman, makes me a winner!”
–Al Bundy
July 16th, 2008 at 2:11 pmESTI have to admit, now that I’ve heard the horror stories, I’m going to have to watch these shows! At least once.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pmESTAs I was born and raised in L.A., I’ve known these vain-dead women and vowed never to be like them. I’m grateful to have married a man, and a finer finished product to any project you will never see - from Koi pond to bedroom remodel. And I’m proud to have been at least a quarter responsible for each and every one of ‘em.
they own 50 pairs of shoes and two metric tons of cocktail dresses…
“There’s Nikes and there’s Guccis
And these other Designers, too –
It’s gonna take six hundred feet
To fill Imelda’s Shoes…”
– Song about Imelda Marcos on Dr Demento years ago
…and that they’ve shown their husband who’s boss by hogging all the closet space. You can see it in their eyes, every time, how cutely sassy they think they’re being. It is absolutely revolting.
I also love how they make a big deal out of pretending that they care what hubby thinks. Some of them are so brazenly unashamed - and proud - of how thoroughly they’ve emasculated their man that they even look right in the camera with a dull-eyed evil grin and say things like, “I like to let him think his opinions count, too.” Die, lady. Just die.
There’s a solution for that.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pmESTWith payback included.
It’s called ISLAM.
“Men of the world, Convert and conquer! You have nothing to lose but your chains!”
This reminds me of when my wife and I were out house hunting. My wife was looking through the house and I was looking out the kitchen window at this humungous lawn peppered with trees.
The real estate lady wandered in next to me and said: “Beautiful, isn’t it”.
I said: “Let me clue you in on something. My wife would look out this same window and see beautiful landscaping. I see a huge lawn to cut. This is not an effective marketing ploy”.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:21 pmESTI disagree with the comments that complain one man or another needs to grow some balls. In many marriages it is the man who holds it all together while the wife goes off on some journey of self-glorification. It is often made clear enough that any display of defiance could be met with divorce, which in our society and legal systems is heavily weighted in favor of women. Often unfairly so, in individual cases.
The divorcing wife can imagine herself bridezilla all over again. For weeks she’s the center of attention,receives massive sympathy, deploys those manolos in a new search for romance, and to hope for it all like a lottery ticket. Many husbands are bound by the code : take the blame, put up with slander and lies, and hope their kids are not too damaged. Mind you I’m talking about the good ones, those who keep things together and try to live honorably, there are plenty of others who deserve what they get. But I’ll never shake the image of a few friends who quite cheerfully embarked on divorce like a career upgrade or trip to Vegas, kids and commitments be damned.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pmESTI know one data point doesn’t make a trend, but I do feel obliged to defend the Peace Corps — or at least some of us Peace Corps vets! I joined the Peace Corps after I got an MBA from a top-20 school with a 4.0 GPA and I paid for my first house in 8 years (despite losing my job after 6), so being in the Peace Corps doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a financial idiot. Maybe this woman was an idiot before she went into the Peace Corps.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:25 pmESTThank you to 14k for bringing up one of my favorite TV families. The one thing I took away from Married With Children, and the Bundy’s, was that despite the bickering they were a family and they stuck together and stuck up for each other. Watch Al introduce one of Kelly’s boyfriends to the wall, over and over again, for touching his little girl. Or Bud punch out some guy who hurt his sister or Peg tell off some woman who insulted Al.
In the end it came down to a family who really did love each other. I was stationed in Holland when I first saw the show and was kind of shocked that American TV now allowed the kind of stuff I was hearing and seeing on screen. Outside of football, some classic movies on AMC or TCM, and one or two other shows there isn’t much on that wasteland of any value. I think I caught a minute or two of Bridezilla once and that Sweet 16 crap for a few minutes. Yikes! Those are some scary people.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:50 pmESTbuzzion and mightysam,
Hey! How could I POSSIBLY forget how whipped Jefferson was. That was a great premise, too!
Didja know Marcy D’Arcy (Amanda Bearse) is a lesbian feminist in real life?
Life imitating art, or the reverse, or something like it?
July 16th, 2008 at 4:52 pmESTI see more than one reference to how Islam in the West may actually be welcomed by men who have been mistreated by women.
That is not good for anyone in the West. I urge women to not push their behavior so far that the backlash becomes a horror they cannot presently comprehend.
If women are pushing men to permit, or even welcome, Islamic Law to percolate into the West, then Western Feminism is the biggest failure in the history of humanity, right up there with the Treaty of Versailles. American women 100 years ago still had it FAR better than the Islamic women of today.
July 16th, 2008 at 5:48 pmESTHumor is not your strong suit is it.
July 16th, 2008 at 5:57 pmEST“Humor is not your strong suit is it.”
I am not trying to be humorous.
I see many parallels between Britain/France’s punitive/vindictive policy towards Germany after WWI, and the consequences of it once Germany lashed back, and Western Feminism’s mistreatment of Western Men to the extent that Western Men may not try that hard to keep Islamic Sharia Law outside of the West.
Think about it. Bridezilla’s, beware…..
July 16th, 2008 at 6:25 pmEST“Oh, this will make a fine room here…” Geesh. NOT entertainment.
But the real issue, Rachel, is WHICH show have you been watching where there were actual hetero couples seeking houses together? All of those shows are made in Quebec and Toronto and show Zac Efron and his boy toy looking for a new chic Andy Warhol bumpus room, or a female auto mechanic from Vancouver looking for a “fixer upper” for her and her shim.
Scary. But riveting.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:01 pmESTKim du Toit has a great thread today related to this topic:
Advanced Bachelorhood
That’s about all I have to contribute to this discussion. I love my cats.
I already linked Rachel’s post over there on that thread.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:41 pmESTNo kidding. You have to know what humor is before you attempt it.
And since the people who mentioned islam were being humorous and not at all serious. My original statement stands.
Humor is not your strong suit.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:06 pmESTRachel, I was one of those wives who bitched about the “$16″ extra a month we’d pay.
Guess what? It turned into an extra $100 a month thanks to the rising costs of insurance and property taxes. And this is just in South Carolina.
When we lived in Florida, it went up nearly $200 a month after 2004.
I don’t blame the woman for crying. I guess things must be different in Texas somehow?
July 16th, 2008 at 8:58 pmESTThis is a very valid point. Whereas I don’t know for certain that ALL shows are scripted, I do know that women are the preponderance of the viewers, so it falls to logic that to alienate the female viewers spells ratings disaster.
In that vein, however, is not the notion that women respond positively to the emasculation of husbands the norm in TV viewership?
I await the verdict.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:58 pmESTOH HELL NO! Not for me, the women in my extended family, my friends, co-workers, peer group or my daughters. If you don’t have your nutsack, I might as well be a lesbian.
Crap like this is worse than enduring “Queer Eye.” At least when you deliberately watch that you KNOW you have deliberately signed on to watch a chemical castration.
Something as seemingly innocuous as “House Hunters” on HGTV? That’s a total suprise de-nutting. Dude to eunuch, documentary-style.
[Balls make a guest-appearance as art deco on the mantle in the follow-up show six months later. "See how progressive we are! We have a Mapplethorpe similar to the Serrano piece 'Piss Christ'. Aren't we the Obama-humping libtards? Don't you want a jar of nuts on your mantle?"]
Blech and ARRGGHH.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:22 pmESTSeriously. Comments like that need a beverage warning.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:33 pmESTCan’t agree at all with anyone calling the men idiots, weak, needing balls etc because they’re with overbearing or abusive women.
July 16th, 2008 at 11:42 pmESTWhat a huge step backwards. Why are we advocates of the men’s movement?
1) men are systematically taught to give in or else suffer emotional stress and rejection by the wife and/or her family and/or his children children 2) abusive women select men who are indecisive and vulnerable and emotionally troubled by a childhood that in many cases involves a neglectful or abusive or simply overbearing mother. 3) for the young boys who are going to become these men and suffer as a result, suffer as boys and later as…these very men who are being insulted for being abused.
How is this different than feminists calling men “weak” and “babies” for FINALLY feeling free to voice how they feel?
I can’t find it appropriate to further insult men who are victims of the very things we’re supposed to be fighting against.
May I suggest another reason for the crying over $16 dollars a month? Haven’t any of the couples reading this ever played good cop/bad cop as a negotiating ploy? “Look, I really want the house, but when she starts crying, there’s no talking to her. If you can’t do any better, we’ll have to keep looking.”
I’ve been known to take a platonic female friend with me to estate sales to play the same role in getting a better price on a great piece of furniture.
Otherwise I agree completely with Rachel.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:25 pmEST>>buzzion Says: I am not trying to be humorous.
>>No kidding. You have to know what humor is before you attempt it.
>>And since the people who mentioned islam were being humorous and not at all serious. My original statement stands.
>>Humor is not your strong suit.
Better stop insulting and start looking around. There are a significant number of men in the US who are not joking when they say they think it’s a good idea for Islam to take over since manginas refuse to cooperate to restore males to the human race.
I tell men to keep something white in the house so they can hang it out the window. And, personally, I am mostly gone. My view of the feminist US society is, I am not there, period, except for short and painful visits.
No human being should have to live with the daily insults and hatred the ordinary man in the US faces.
To save you some time with further insults, my wife and I recently celebrated our 33rd.
July 19th, 2008 at 12:58 pmESTAlso, in UK where the total number of marriages recently was less than since 1895, Muslim law is being allowed within the country.
There is a thing called Future Shock, well described some years ago by Alvin Toffler (sp?). It is when change comes so fast people can’t keep up. After forty years of institutionalized misandry, a lot of people are having trouble dealing with the rapidly growing number of men who are opting out of the system.
And, the same old insults and shaming language doesn’t always work on these guys. They have been vaccinated.
A few months ago, a news article in UK showed that a million men in UK are “missing”. Well, I know some of them are in Mexico City, living with beautiful Mexican girls. My niece knows many of them.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pmESTOn a related note, though perhaps not obviously so, HBOs Big Love.
Here we have the phenomenon of a nation’s premium cable affording ladies tuning in to watch as three women draw individual homes and cash allowances from Man As ATM.
And three TV wives who, doubtless, have women viewers who would champion one of the three wives as being the one true great woman behind The Earner.
I concede there is much more to the show than just that. And that there are men in the viewership. However, look at the web site to see who they think is the target audience.
i.e.
July 20th, 2008 at 3:57 amESTBetter stop insulting and start looking around. There are a significant number of men in the US who are not joking when they say they think it’s a good idea for Islam to take over since manginas refuse to cooperate to restore males to the human race.
When the only two choices that remain are her boot stamping on his face (”VAGINA! VAGINA! VAGINA!”) or his boot stamping on hers (”AL’LAH’U AKBAR!”), which way do you think uncastrated males will choose? Even some of the castratos will take the chance to recover their balls with Islamic support — “WOMAN! DO AS I SAY OR I BEAT YOU! GOD WILLS IT!”
DON’T LET IT COME TO THAT POINT!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:08 pmEST