: just like Western court, but without all the crazy fairness, justice, and treating women like human beings. Nice work, Britain:
ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.
The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.
Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.
Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.
…It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.
There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worse deals because Islamic law favours men.
Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons. The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.
In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.
In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations.
Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages were saved and couples given a second chance.
I’ll bet. Gosh, I wonder why the women in those cases withdrew the complaints? Surely it was that the anger management classes and “mentoring” by older Muslim men, which cured these husbands of all their wifebeating ways. I’m just positive that was it.
Oh, this is so ripe for abuse. Can some UKgov official tell me what court has jurisdiction when I re-name my dog Mouhammed and I convert my herd of pigs to Islam and bring them to the mosque to worship? I promise to keep the boars and the sows seperate, as perscribed by sharia law.
By the monkey beard of Osama Bin Laden, what the Allah-damned hell?!
God, I’ve become numb to all this. Somebody please wake me when blood starts flowing in British streets.
Muslim blood, that is–we’ve already had the blood of civilised people spilled over there.
In Ontario, we dodged that particular suicide bomb a few years back.
Canada, dimmifying a bit more slowly than Britain.
…I might just throw up.
That’s pretty much all I’ve got to say. I think I’m going to be ill.
I can’t get beyond the fact that this is the same British Empire Winston Churchill once championed.
Right…so if I get a tan, call myself Jesus Pedro Gonzalez, fly from the UK to a Mexican airport rather than to Chicago, and then ride over the border illegally on a donkey, do you think there’s any chance I’ll be able to avoid the long, drawn-out naturalization process?
‘Cos there’s no chance in hell I’m staying over here.
Not that it excuses this or anything, but how often do American family courts favor women?
So, given that “one a Muslim, always a Muslim”, does this mean even women who have figured out what’s going on and made the risky decision to leave the cult are still subject to Sharia law? Doesn’t Sharia law allow for the killing of apostates?
Mark Steyn’s prediction in “America Alone” has come true. Much sooner than even HE expected. And, we have to thank Anne Pearston of the Snow Drop movement for disarming her fellow countrymen. Now, SHE will eventually have to be ruled by shari’a law. And, that “eventually” will probably be within the next couple of years.
Anne? Meet Ali BenDover. He has a “message” to deliver to you.
Oh, and for you who own guns, start cleaning them and stock up on ammo. For those of you who DON’T own guns . . . WHY?!!?!?!?!!!????? Shari’a is coming and it’s time for everyone to understand what freedom of religion REALLY means in America. For Canada? Haven’t you changed your sillyassed handgun laws, yet?
By the way, is the judge “Islamic Rage Boy”?
This is sick.
So where are all the liberal protestors decrying this flagrant violation of the “separation between church and state”?
Holy Fuck!
Of course, in my first marriage, it was all my fault I pissed him off and he had to beat me, right? I mean, I am the inferior woman and should willingly submit to him, right?
Pardon me while I go beat my head against a wall since I’m no longer married to an asshole who will beat me.
Praise allah I got divorced in the good ol’ USA
BWAHAAHAHAHA. Anybody been looking at the context sensitive ads? I’ve never seen so many Muslim dating sites in my life.
Oh, and Rob? We’re working on an amendment to our Constitution that allows readers of Rachel’s site immediate naturalization. Welcome to America.
1. Singlemuslim.com ad on the side panel here by googlesense = hilarity. Search for your muslim marriage partner now!
2. Well, Rachel some would say the modern western family/civil courts are just a feminist version of the Shari’a courts. Neither are great in their current incarnations IMHO. Though at least the west has a history of leeway/change and a slimmer of hope of reaching some point of equity in judgements.
3. Indeed, where are those folks who protest seperation of church and state? Ahh, the wonders of multiculturalism. Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves. Never shall Britons be slaves… unless multiculturalism says to bow down. Then its ok.
In Japan it is not uncommon for dirty old – and even young – businessmen to grope high school girls and women while in the train. They will not, however, try that with a Western woman because they’ve realized that if they do they will leave the train on a stretcher missing a few very important anatomical bits.
When my family lived in the Middle East my mother was still the feisty woman she was here. Once we were out shopping and the call to prayer sounded so we just stood there waiting. I think she was standing a little ways from us and she had olive skin so she looked like an Arab. Some guy walked up to her and was about to hit her for not kneeling to pray and she looked at him and said “Don’t you dare!” Apparently he was very shocked and didn’t know what to say and just went away.
I really think the sane women of America need to put out some kind of video series on standing up for yourself. Something like “If You Touch My Ass Your Testicles Will be Ripped Off and Shoved Up Yours”, “If You Insist on Getting Up in My Grill You’ll be Wishing You’d Introduced Your Nuts to an Anvil and Hammer”, and “As Allah is My Witness, If You Won’t Change a Goddam Diaper I’ll Shove the Next One Down Your Throat”.
It is the British people who will end this madness…our govt and media has surrended.It is shameful that those we elect have brought this once great nation to such a pass and I fear that only violence will end the horror that is the islamisation of England in particular.
hM, you are brill!
‘Course, Theo van Gogh stood up to the bastards and look what some vomit spew of a rotted sow did to him. Well, a nice 9mm debating point would have helped, but then, it’s Europe where defendiong yoiur self is potentially a crime in many countries.
I like the way “a tribunal of feral wolverines” rolls off the tongue, and I appreciate that a feral animal, like a hog, can be far nastier than a natively wild one. But…
I feel like a spoilsporty asscat for asking, but it’s really bothering me. How can wolverines be feral when they’ve never been domesticated?
Brits w/technical degrees, get your buns over here. Lots of work to be done in the next couple of decades and we’ll need tens of thousands of technical types. Hurry. You will be legal so the bureaucracy will grind slowly.
Stay off television. Frankly, I’m sick to death of voiceovers using British actors. Since Howard was unelected, I’m not to friendly to Aussie accents either.
Rickvid, you just made me think of another one.
“Better Living Through Firearms: I Dare You to Slap This Bitch”
I read Mark Steyn’s “America Alone” and considered it a timely book, full of insight and to be honest, quite scary.
I had no idea the British would be insane enough to allow this kind of thing so soon, though. I feel so sorry for the people who will have to live through this.
RW Donn said:
For those of you who DON’T own guns . . . WHY?!!?!?!?!!!?????
Bbecause I have never had anyone to take me out shooting, as I consider having a gun to be much like a car – you should have someone show you what to do. So if anyone in Phoenix who is a gun owner would like to take me to the range and show me some basics, dinner is most definitely on me, and I’ll assuredly throw in some cookies or something.
A female friend used to say, “Ferocious women do not intimidate real men.”
Doubt you’ll find ANY real men among the meta’wah (religious police MEN who like beating wimmin who do not conform and submit) or the teeming seathing smelly hoards of Islamic Rage BOYS.
Brooke, just walk into your local police station and ask where you can go to take an ‘NRA Firearms for Women’ course. They can point you to a decent range, at least. And take a friend to the course with you!
Don’t take ‘lessons’ from that nice man at the range. Be in a classroom setting with an actual NRA instructor.
I’d step up, but you’re a bit far from my home in So. Cal.
Well, Phoenix is even more of a drive from Minnesota, but this might be a good start for you:
Brooke,
Won’t “THE PARTY” come and forcibly strip you of your voter’s registration card and inject you with the bitter if you get on a firearm-purchase waitlist?
Just checking.
From being all sad and angry at what’s happened to once great Britain to fall off chair laughing in one heartbeat. Rachel, I swear only you can do that!
Bwahahahaha!
I’m snagging that demotivator and posting it on my own blog. Best one I’ve seen in ages, and I see a lot of good ones on here. Islamic rage boy in lawyers garb – seems appropriate somehow. *snicker*
Brooke,
These two gentleman live in your area and have standing offers to beginners. Both are highly regarded in the shooting community.
Chris Byrne:
Kevin:
Awwwwww….she said a BAAAAAAD word!!!
Rachel, get yourself an assault rifle, but then by all means exercise restraint by just hitting them in the nuts with the rifle butt when they get out of hand. Two or three times. There’s a place for mercy, right?
Although from reading Sherlock’s blog, I don’t think you have anything to worry about. Though I do feel a little insulted that he manages to be even angrier and more conservative than I am, at times. I thought that I was supposed to be the pissed off conservative!
Rob F: I swear all the time, just not on my own blog. :)
I threw up in the back of my mouth while reading this.
Will my British cousins please come to their senses now?
Anyone up for a good stoning?
Brooke:
I live in Tucson, but I’d be more than happy to meet you half way at the Casa Grande public range. I am NOT a certified NRA instructor. I have no intention of taking you through a certification course. What I offer new shooters is the chance to try shooting in a low-pressure, safe environment; to familiarize yourself with the rules of safety, with different firearms types, and with different calibers. I will answer all of your questions to the best of my ability, or point you to where you can get those answers. I provide the firearms, ammunition, safety equipment (eye and ear protection), targets, and (if required) range fees. My contact information is on the left sidebar of my blog.
AFTER trying shooting, then I recommend an NRA course.
P.S.: It’s a little startling (and gratifying) to read that I am “highly regarded in the shooting community.” Well, damn!
thought you might find this amusing–
Brooke, take a look at this:
I will never understand why ancient cultures had such an obsession with stoning as a method of execution. Seriously, why? Why not hanging or throat-slitting or running through with a sword? Who was the first psycho to think “I’ve got it! Pelt them with stones! It’s genius!”
There is no “separation between church and state” in the UK – the Queen is the Head of State and the head of the Church of England.
“I will never understand why ancient cultures had such an obsession with stoning as a method of execution. Seriously, why? Why not hanging or throat-slitting or running through with a sword? Who was the first psycho to think “I’ve got it! Pelt them with stones! It’s genius!””
Stoning makes the entire community complicit in the killing, so it isn’t one person killing the condemned, it is society.
Crikey! Just..crikey.
Jeffrey Quick Says:
September 15th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Get a divorce and find out.
Not to say this isn’t worrisome, but, it said that going to Sharia courts was ‘VOLUNTARY’. So, wringing your hands about stupid women who choose to go to court where they are under Sharia is kinda silly to me.
Still, the WRONG way to go, but at the article was wrong headed.
I would just like to say thank you to everyone for their suggestions. I do plan on acting on some of them…
And 14 Karat, by which party do you mean? Remember, I grew up in a strong Democratic household replete with guns (and lots o’game that came from the people wielding those guns). In fact, one of my earliest memories is sitting on the steps in the basement watching my uncles dress game – never bothered me, never will.
Guns make me a bit nervous, but more like a “I’m unfamiliar with how this works, so I’m scared of messing up” nervous – which I think is not an irrational fear, in fact it might be a bit healthy. But recognizing it for what it is means that I will get over it.
Tomare Utsu Zo:
Yes, the article says the courts are voluntary. Just as I’m sure the 16 y/o girl who becomes the 4th wife of a 60 y/o man in Yemen does so voluntarily. “Yes father, I agree to the marriage, it’s a much better option than having you murder me in my sleep.”
As far as Sharia goes, nothing is voluntary, especially for the women.
There isn’t one here in the US, either. But that certainly hasn’t stopped the left.
Not so silly. Abused spouses can be convinced to do just about anything to protect their abusers. Battered wives are often pressured or intimidated by their husbands into not filing charges against them. That’s why domestic violence is such a big problem. The abusee gets “trapped” in the relationship and feels like they can’t get out (or that it would be worse for them in the long run if they tried).
In this case it’s even more troubling because a Muslim woman may have the entire local community standing against her. You really think Muslim women won’t be pressured into “agreeing” to go to a Sharia court, even when they don’t want to?
And of course, domestic violence is just one aspect of Sharia law. Someone earlier mentioned apostasy (most major schools of Islamic jurisprudence urge the death penalty for apostates), but there’s also age of consent (9 years old!), theft (if a mugger claims to have robbed you out of necessity or hunger, Sharia law does not consider it a punishable offense), the penalties for violating Sharia law (many of which fall squarely into the “cruel and unusual punishment” category), and more.
I see someone has mentioned us already above (along with Kevin Baker, a good friend and a good man); but my wife and I would be happy to help out anyone in the Phoenix area looking to learn to shoot, looking for self defense information, or looking for help with gun safety (if maybe they don’t feel comfortable learning to shoot).
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the offer. So when I click on your name to get to you, my fascist employer says I can’t see your website as it’s filtered. Please feel free to email me at brooke.campbell71 at gmail. And damn the man for holding me down.
I have talked to Kevin (who has been GREAT!), but definitely appreciate the chance to expand more.
Again, my thanks to everyone. I really do appreciate it!
First, let’s be clear what exactly has happened. Under the Arbitration Act of 1996, sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. Rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding, provided that both parties in a dispute agree to confer that power on the tribunal. There is nothing particularly exceptional here; the same principles of arbitration are at play in the U.S.
Second, these courts are only given power to resolve disputes in civil matters. The criminal strand of sharia law—the strand that prescribes dismemberment and beheading for certain crimes—is not honored in Britain just yet.
That said, it does concern me. I am not the sort of person that thinks that Islam is inherently evil, or that traditional Islamic law is a wholly unsavory thing.
However, it is entirely unacceptable for a group, any group, to essentially say, “The legal system of this nation doesn’t really work for us, so we are going to have our own courts.” A system of laws is one of the cornerstones of any advanced civilization. For that foundation to be sound, everyone must answer to the same laws, before the same courts, subject to the same penalties.
Given that these cases are limited to civil action, they aren’t running afoul of this principle yet. But it’s reasonable for people to ask: How long until Muslims want their own criminal system? After all, the existence of the sharia civil system illustrates a demand for a legal system rooted in the Islamic tradition.
The classification of, and punishment for, crimes under sharia law is quite different from English law. Given the desire for sharia civil courts that address traditional Islamic principles, it’s no stretch to expect that demand will arise for criminal courts that also reflect those principles.
In addition to compromising the integrity of a cohesive legal system, many of these principles would be in direct conflict with principles of English law. Without getting into a lengthy exploration of sharia law, I will simply say that it would require the non-sharia portion of the population to turn a blind eye, legally speaking, to the injustices being carried out by sharia courts.
> I’d rather be judged by a tribunal of feral wolverines
Ah, but would you rather be judged by a tribunal of feral cats???
THAT is the true test of seriousness.
Pfeh on your feral wolverines, wommmmman!
My post on the topic:
Jeffrey Quick Says:
Not that it excuses this or anything, but how often do American family courts favor women?
Answer: ALWAYS!!!!!!!!