We’ve heard a lot of ridiculous bullcorn from candidates during this campaign, but we have now gone beyond clownish, past insane, and landed squarely in downright surreal preposterousness.
Via via , I give you this Sunday’s Times Magazine :
“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”
What in the what what WHAT? Is this some sort of comedy routine he’s working on? Was he drunk on Wild Turkey when he said all that? Did he actually say it in Chinese, and the translation back to English got all jacked up?
Oh my god. There are so many things wrong with the entire statement that I’m about to go all fetal-position and question my own understanding of words. I wonder if I just went dyslexic and think that quote says something it doesn’t say.
Because if you ask me, which you didn’t but tough shit, the fact is, forget Fox News. If there were no CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CSPAN, PBS, NPR, the LA Times, the New York Times, and every other major paper in the country, a radical socialist with insufficient experience like Obama would be down in the polls about 30 points.
You want to talk about an entire industry – an entire apparatus – designed to perpetuate a cultural schism, to give one guy an edge over another guy based on soundbites and bias? You want to talk about that? And you think it’s WORKING AGAINST YOU, SENATOR BARACK OBAMA???
Sorry for all the yelling. I just simply cannot believe my own eyes on this one. I truly cannot FATHOM that this man, who is supposedly intelligent and “aware”, would actually say with a straight face that there’s an entire industry – in the form of the media – that is anything other than his own personal cheerleading corps.
And what in the hell is he talking about, that Fox News portrays him 24/7 as a “latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal.” Is there another Fox News that I don’t know about? Because I’ve never once heard a single thing about Volvos or latte or what he reads or how effete he is. What I have heard is about ACORN. And about Ayers and Wright, you know, unimportant stuff like that. Stuff that’s keeping me from getting to really know Obama. And by the way, CNN has been hammering the ACORN thing more than anyone lately.
And also by the way, the example given in the Times piece that led Obama to say all of that bullcorn was a quote from Joe Scarborough. Of MSNBC.
Well, whatever. Don’t worry, Obama. Once you’re president you can “disappear” Fox News. Then the next openly socialist Democrat presidential candidate won’t have to suffer from such bias and will have a full 100% of the media in his or her pocket. Not just 98%. A full 100%.
I think this is a good time for some whiskey and also a good time for this picture:
loldog, can u hear me now?, wtf
Also, this can be the debate thread once that starts tonight. I’m not sure I’ll be able to stand it, but don’t worry! If I watch it, it’ll be on Fair and Balanced NBC. Hopefully Andrea Mitchell will set me straight about what a gifted orator Obama is and what a bitter troll McCain is.
UPDATE: I thought McCain did great. He took his balls back out of the box and waved them around, while Obama seemed peeved. Of course this will be spun as McCain being a curmudgeon while Obama was “cool.” I’m going to have nightmares tonight.
Those “independent” voters in the Lunz focus group? LIARS. FUCKING LIARS. There is no way a rational adult walked into this debate “totally undecided” and came away from it in the bag for Barack Obama. LIARS. These people are not operating in the same reality as normal thinking human beings. I’m too flummoxed and speechless to say anything else, after watching the post-debate analysis. Sleep. Nightmares. Socialism. Wealth redistribution. Doom. Ammo. Tacos.
Can’t wait for all the awesome “change”. If Obama loses….there is gonna be some really angry liberals out there.
here’s that may be up your alley…
p.s. did you see what Murtha said, about how his own constituents are racists? You stay classy, you traitorous troop-smearing s.o.b.
I’ve watched Fox News, insofar as I watch anything on TV which is seldom.
I have never seen any evidence that Fox News is anything but another news channel. I’ve seen stuff that makes me (a Constitutionalist libertarian type that some wacko lefties might call “right wing” to my bemusement) cringe, because it’s filled with the same sort of left perspective as any other news channel. All Fox isn’t is completely in the tank for Obama.
OTOH I’ve seen plenty of stuff that looks like Obama campaign ads on other news channels.
Have the lefties ever actually WATCHED Fox News, or is there just someone telling them what to think about something they’ve never seen?
Just remember kids, friends don’t let friends vote for Obama.
Perfect ploy. Perfectly played by Obama.
Why, he does have years and years of experience in the Radical Dissenter’s Way. Once you’re sold out to the Lie, it’s pretty easy to make everything Good and True look worse than your lie.
Not surprising at all if you’ve ever read C.S. Lewis’ “The Last Battle.”
60 years ago, Lewis had heard all of this before.
Meanwhile, that looks like Bernanke up there. Just as clueless.
Ah . . . HA!!! The “vast right wing conspiracy” argument passes form Hillary to Obamassiah. And, it’s new name is . . . FOX NEWS!!!!
I just laughed so hard at the puppy-pic that my cat ran out of the room.
And it is NOT because he’s an asshole, thank you very much.
:)
Oh,and what was that I learned so long ago . . . Tell a lie loud enough and long enough . . .
…and enough people will begin to believe it.
Obama is a malignant narcissist. Anyone that doesn’t portray him well is an enemy. He’s worse than Clinton ever thought about being, and that’s saying a lot. I never thought of Clinton as malignant.
And, Rachel? He is completely serious. Anyone that isn’t for him is an enemy. And it’s only going to get worse.
Ahhh, yes. Unfortunately, that’s the reality of someone who lives in their own bubble. You have to assume everything he says is a lie. He has told so many on the campaign trail that there is no credibility. The other unfortunate thing is that if you dig deep enough, all his associations and actions reveal a hard-core Marxist. I wouldn’t be surprised if we turn into a copy of the old Soviet Union if this guy gets into the White House. There’s too many things going on out there (kids singing his praises, new textbooks devoting pages to him, his discussion with the plumber on taxes, law inforcement intimidation in Missouri, ACORN, Ayers, Wright, etc.) that points in that direction. BTW, might as well rename the lamestream media “Pravda” since they are so in the tank for him. I make sure I tell all my family and associates why he is unfit and unqualified–including all the little shenanigans going on. My own little GOTV effort, if you will. Got to keep up the fight!!
Chihuahuas are cunning linguists?
The hell of it is, I think he is actually starting to believe his own line of bullshit.
What reality is he living in?
I’ve resigned myself to the inevitible socialism that will occur if he’s elected, but now I’m scared that the first amendment will no longer exist for those who oppose The Great One.
I just sent off my mail-in ballot so I don’t have to think about this anymore. I’d like to just curl up in a fetal position until November 5th
When the entire media is giving you a pass (or WAS giving you a pass, now it’s only 95% of the media covering his keister), it’s easy to lie your ass off. After all, it’s not like the media is going to follow up on anything, especially if it’ll embarrass Captain Hopey-Changey of the good ship DSR (Democrat Shoal-Rider) Rectal-Cranial Inversion.
Yes he does believe that load of crap. That is what makes him dangerous. At this point all we can hope for is for him to somehow self destruct. We be soooo screwed.
Wow. Could he BE more out of touch? /chandler
And speaking of how cats are assholes, I want to tell you what I know now that I didn’t know 24 hours ago:
You know how on the end of a power cord, right before the plug, there’s a kind of thick flexible part that has little ridges and slits in it, for bendability? It’s really hard to scrub dried cat shit out of that.
Not me, O!
Which is why I’ll be voting against you.
What an idiot.
I actually get annoyed with Fox working so hard to be “fair and balanced” when they have on the idiot Obama people. I don’t watch them to get the “news” I can get from CNN. Sheesh.
ElvenPhoenix: Dead on.
Obama is masterful at turning ANYTHING to his advantage–it’s just surreal at this point.
His wide-eyed disingenuous manipulation makes me absolutely livid. Which is also part of his strategy for McCain–he (and his press minions) make any passionate opinion or patriotism look like spittle-spraying fanaticism. Or, of course, racism.
I’ve seen this a couple of places and thought you might enjoy it.
I asked my friend’s little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up.
She said she wanted to be President some day.
Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?
She replied, ‘I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.
”Wow…what a worthy goal.’ I told her, ‘You don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.’
She thought that over for a few seconds while her Mom glared at me, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ‘Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?’
I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican Party.’
Her folks still aren’t talking to me.
8:15 AM
Those dogs should be labeled ‘MSM’ and ‘B-HO.’ But you all know that. Like Jonah Goldberg said, ‘breaking new proctological ground.’
To quote Will Farrell in Zoolander,
“It’s like I’m taking crazy pills.”
Never once have I thought “latte-sipping” or “Volvo driving,” but everything else is pretty much spot-on. And here’s a shocker: I don’t watch FOX News. This guy is such a piece of business that I’m really at a loss… because should he win, it’s going to be New Deal to an order of magnitude.
But hey, at least that means all kinds of free shit for me. I’m one of the 95% getting a “tax cut,” right?
You know, screw “thinking” or “personal responsibility.” I’m tossing my lot for this Brave New Cult of Personality because that means when they combine tax cuts, a billion new jobs, and fresh, bee-sweet honey, I’m going to take my hojillion dollars and help out someone not so fortunate as myself, thanks to the Government Program that will do it for me.
I worry that if this trend continues, my kids may never be adults. That’s my big worry.
Eff it, I’m going to have that scotch.
You know what they say, Senator. The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one.
Hey, just got an e-mail from MoveOn getting people all spun up to prevent yet another “stolen election.” Unless there is a landslide, that will be the lie – stolen again.
Well, even WITH a landslide, they will flog that swill for 4 years.
Ah, I think most people are missing how chilling that quote is:
“…there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful.”
Here is what I find chilling, he wants to END the ‘cultural schism’; he wants to end how we live our lives, the values we hold dearest to our hearts. He thinks this is possible. I think he’s in a very dangerous path. If he has the power, there is no telling what he’ll do to end the ‘cultural schism’, your rights to think as you please and to organize your life according to the best wisdom available to you be damned.
First of all, there’s nothing actually wrong with enjoying a latte now and then, and Volvo’s are actually quite nice cars, though expensive to repair.
That said, he’s laying the groundwork for reintroducing the Fairness Doctrine. Get ready, people. If the GOP doesn’t have the numbers in Congress to block it, any media that is right-of-center is going away.
I hope that wasn’t a dachshund.
RIckvid in Seattle,
That’s rich coming from Seattle. Where the governor’s race was an absolute travesty. How do you stand it there? (I was raised in Tacoma)
“I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal.”
Oh my God. That’s me. Well, I try not to be arrogant and I think PC can go too far, and as for effete…well, I hope not.
But the other parts? Yep, that’s me.
I am the latte-sipping, local newspaper-reading, Volvo-driving, bike riding, no-gun-owning, athletically competitive, politically in-correct, tax paying (lots), introspective liberal, who opposes nationalization of the financial system (which is taking place under our noses – right now), and enjoys reading the comments.
Er, and we would notice the difference between that and the last eight years how, exactly?
Obama has officially won the last debate. The debate will start shortly.
Regards,
–MSM
Well said. I’ve been saying out loud for months that when the Democs offer peace and unity, they mean the peace and unity of the cellblock. Join Us, or be very cold and lonely. We gotta beat this prick.
Folks, we are being played. Except Fox News and AM radio, -everything- we see, read and hear about this guy is designed to make us think he’s got it in the bag.
Just because McCain doesn’t put out as much fire and brimstone as we’d like, is no excuse for us to go quietly into the night. Like McCain says, Nothing is Inevitable! We gotta beat this prick.
That picture has me laughing so hard. That ought to be the logo for the MSM with their collective heads up Obama’s ass.
Off-topic, but somewhat relevant. Planned to skip tonight’s debate. All I want to do is watch me some NLCS. And practically every. freakin. commercial. is an Obama ad. I am ready to scratch out my ears AND my eyes, and the damn game hasn’t even STARTED yet.
“Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak!”
does’nt need Fox news for THAT-anyone can tell that he’s a freak
“Can’t wait for all the awesome “change”. If Obama loses….there is gonna be some really angry liberals out there”
you mean the ones threatening to riot?three words-bring it on
Oh, God, what are we going to do if he is elected?
I’m beginning to realize that I seriously underestimated the cunning mendacity of this man. (Yeah, sorry about being late to the party.) I was so relieved that he had gotten Hillary out of the way, but I am now thinking that the people who said he is way more dangerous than she is were right.
I guess we might have to hit the streets. It could get bloody awful. Think Germany in the late 1920’s.
“Have the lefties ever actually WATCHED Fox News, or is there just someone telling them what to think about something they’ve never seen?”
that would my guess
There is no problem, in fact even having a concern is a distraction.
O Balm A will heal all wounds, and remove all scars.
“And, Rachel? He is completely serious. Anyone that isn’t for him is an enemy. And it’s only going to get worse”
keep yer powder dry
I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
So even if Fox News said all that stuff, they have it all wrong and Obama is actually a beer-drinkin’, pickup-drivin’, gun-shootin’, manly type of moderate? Of COURSE he is, what with his record in the Senate of voting right down the middle on…uh…hang on….
I’ll have to get back to you on that one.
Well what else would you expect from the Obamedia?
I’m sadly eating what may well be one of the last ham and swiss sandwiches I might ever have.
Bittersweet;yes. The tasty goodness…but it may offend some of our brethren, so when the law is passed banning all pork products (and dog ownership) I will gladly obey.
The good of the many….
Yes, I agree. It’s designed to depress campaign contributions, volunteers, and ultimately voter turnout. We must avoid giving way to defeatism and despair at all costs. This race is not over by any means.
Tonight when I was volunteering at my local campaign headquarters after work, I was told that someone from National Public Radio would be coming to record a radio segment. About a half hour later they got a call saying he had cancelled. It appears that the NPR guy was probably looking to get a story about how demoralized the McCain/Palin campaign must surely be. But the guy in charge here had told him that the place was full of volunteers who aren’t ready to give up by any means. In other words, we’re not following his script, so he decided not to come here.
Anyway, I’m watching the Phillies game. They’re going for their first National League pennant in 15 years! I’ll check in here between innings. I can always catch the debate later when C-Span reruns it.
They’re leading 1-0 in the third inning.
Ok, I’m watching the debate live right now. Anyone else here live?
Obama just said that the “fundamentals of the economy are weak – and were weak before this crisis started” Wait a minute. Just last week, he said (a couple of times) that the “fundamentals of the economy are strong.” Guess he changed his mind on that.
What I find scariest is contemplating how he would go about “healing” that schism. I’m quite sure that any “healing” would not involve promulgating tolerance of different viewpoints, but would mean that those of us on the “wrong” side of the schism would feel heavy pressure to adopt the “right” way of thinking…
McCain just mentioned Joe the plumber and his $250k business, but he did so sloppily and rather ineffectually. didn’t have much of an impact.
Obama is now going into his plan to provide tax credits to 95% of Americans.
Ooooooooo Maverick comes out of the shoot loaded for bear by talking about Nancy Reagan.
I’m live… Good McC – hit him on “Spread the wealth around,” class warfare… Keep it up
McCain NEEDS to slam the LIE of 95% of Americans.
LOVE Joe the Plumber!
Heh – Joe the Plumber before he was at the point he was making $250… What an idjit
(that last comment was re: the big O)
OK, McCain just finished strong – he must’ve quoted Obama’s “spread the wealth around” statement 5 times or so. That worked.
Watch them dodge the question about what programs they would cut
Strong proponent of pay as you go? WHO IS HE KIDDING???
I think I’ve already said bullshit 4 or 5 times. *sigh*
Whenever Obama is asked about what programs he would cut, he always ends up talking about what he would SPEND. Idjit
Excuse me? Who is HE to decide if I’m living outside my means or irresponsibly???
My husband is doing “yell at the TV” duty. I’m banging out my frustrations here on the keyboard…
Yo, SERiously, casto!
Me too, casto! And there are even a few kids in the room. Oops. I said, “Sorry, politics is ugly stuff.”
YAY! McCain just said he wanted to stop sending money to countries that hate us!!! Now he’s talking about swingin’ a hatchet on the budget.
GOOD – enumerating programs he would elminate
So tired of the “we need a scalpel not a hatchet” line
‘Tax breaks that send jobs overseas.’ AAAUUGH. AAAUUGH. — US plants operating in foreign countries don’t pay US taxes. They pay local taxes.
Imagine if IKEA employees in the US had to pay Swedish income taxes. They don’t. THATS a tax cut that sends jobs from Sweden to the US, according to these guys. FactCheck has debunked this half a dozen times.
Phillies up 3-0 in the top of the third! Two out, bases loaded, pitching change for LA.
Ooooo Mav just nailed Obama with that overhead projector again. That killed Obabma last week.
hahahaha The O didn’t like that dig about a $3M projector in his state. hee hee hee
“I am not president Bush.”
Booya
Senator Obama, I am not President Bush WHOOT
McCain just SLAMMED oBama on comparing him to Bush! Go Maverick. I can’t believe he said that!
Ooh! I didn’t think the debate was going to get violent.
Disputed is not the same as disproven…
*snort* *giggle* I hope it gets MORE violent!
Good point, julie!
I hope McCain stays on this track … HIT him! HIT him HARD!
What’s wrong with a campaign ad saying he lied?!
B-HO looks a little thin-skinned. Fake Grin. Let’s look at the record (and see how he’s lying now). Good. Hit it harder. Then accuse him of subsidizing vote fraud.
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voting with GW Bush. Great! No wait – Oops, I thought he was talking about himself, on FISA, on No Child, on offshore drilling, on faith-based initiatives, on not pulling out of Iraq immediately.
Oy vey…”that was so hurtful” … jeez just hit him harder don’t get all emotional ya big girl.
I’m irritated at the beating the First and Second Amendments are going to take in an Obama presidency, but I don’t give a shit, I’ll still say what I want. The fact that the economy will continue to tank under his tax plan really only makes me want to beat my head against a wall so I can conveniently forget everything I’ve ever learned about economics (ignorance is bliss), but I can honestly say right now I’m absolutely petrified about what he’s going to do to our military. And not just because I’m in it.
Speaking for myself, being in the military has made me a better person. It’s my family and the last thing I want is to see my family decimated by some asshole who’s never served and would never serve. We understand the dangers inherent in our job, but I think that’s why many of us love it so much. You can’t seriously be in the military and know that you could be sent into a dangerous situation if you don’t love it. It’s my home and my family and a man who shouldn’t work the drive-thru window at a Dairy Queen wants to be my Commander in Chief. That scares me.
How about the rest of you military people?
Gosh, is the Mav gonna cry? (talking about George Wallace)
It is NOT true that 100% of McCain’s ads have been negative
Go Cardinals!!!
Obama does look a bit unsettled
ROFL RI…that’s what I thought for a second there.
Can we get off the stupid ads. Some of them are pretty funny. But let’s move on. Dumb issue.
Oooo…. joe the Plumber is going to be so famous.
I call BS again…the “kill him” comment was about Ayers.
We’ll run a truthful campaign. He forgot to add, and if the senator doesn’t like it, he can either attempt to be more truthful, or he can smooch my wrinkled ass.
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John, 100% of your ads are negative. How DARE you blacken my reputation by quoting me!
I can take it, but what about the poor victims of the economy? God, he sounds like a high school kid. My mom used to use arguments like this when she -really- wanted to make someone angry so they’d slip up. She never expected anyone to believe it. It only worked if they caught that it was bullshit, and interpreted it as disrespect.
“The American people want to focus on some big issues” – Yeah, like massive frakkin ELECTION FRAUD by your buddies at ACORN
>>>>>>Obama does look a bit unsettled<<<<<<
Ain’t gonna happen tonight. Obama is cool as a cucumber and Mav will not look him in the eye. I think the brother makes him nervous.
Those of you watching the debate, I salute you.
I spent a good hour playing a video game that requires you to strategically amputate mutated monsters in order to kill them. It’s quite graphic. And I can honestly say I find that less disturbing that the thought of watching the debate. The less I see of that shithead Bambi, the better.
Keep up the reports so I can vicariously laugh at his dumb ass.
Yup, never happened! — documented by Mary Katharine Ham!!!
Mav just SPANKEd Obama.
Obama is stuttering now!!!!
T-shirts — good!
He means those nasty “C***” shirts — keepin’ it classy, there, Barry!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS…. ACORN!!!!!
I can’t STAND his stutter.
h-h-h-he
And he’s not repudiating his supporters wearing of those nasty SP is a C**T t-shirts.
*sigh*
Oh…great first agenda item in an Obama presidency. That’s just what this country needs.
“Old washed up terrorist” hahahahahahahahahahaha
ABSOLUTELY need to know his relationship with acorn.
Oh that laugh / smirk / grin … Arg!
Yeah, try to make the Annenberg Challeng sound Republican. Nice try, Obie!
“apparently” what they’ve done… apparently?!?!?! As if you didn’t know what they were up to!
Education = indoctrination!
Please say it ! And say that he funded the anti-American separatists — pleasepleaseplease
Liar liar liar
I wish someone I “wasn’t involved with” would give me $800,000.00!!!!
Sounds like a pretty good debate so far. As I said earlier, I’ll catch it later on C-Span.
Phillies still leading 3-0 in the bottom of the 4th.
hahahahaha association / judgment YES!
Smack him and move on!
Repudiate the dipshits. McCain brought up the ‘Palin is a c-word’ shirts. YES. I don’t hear the words reject, repudiate, dissociate, wrong, coming form Obama, the weasel. Lets not characterize each other. Point: McCain
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Hit him on ACORN. Money changed hands. YES. Obama didn’t answer – again. Talking about Ayers. that’s TWO he hasn’t answered.
The focus on Ayers is good, but let’s see if McCain takes the right approach: Ayers is an active political radical working to indoctrinate young people through the education system and Obama sent money to Ayers’ schools. The only time he’s reluctantly put distance between himself and his anti-America socialist friends is when it becomes extraordinarily politically inconvenient. Additionally, ACORN and Obama have closer ties than he just claimed.
ooooo Running mate questions.
Score — Woods Foundation!
Ayers quote — good!
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Is it just me, or is this question about the VPs stupid and pointless?
Looks to me like it’s just a chance for Palin-slamming. -_-
Obama has a real pot / kettle problem. Anything ‘wrong’ with McCain has a bigger and worse counterpart on his side.
I do think this debate is better than the last one. McMavieman is keepin Omigosh on the defensive…
Biden is a great public servant??? Prove it.
Did he actually answer the question? I don’t think so.
Here’s a question: who’s more difficult to advise; the person who doesn’t know or the person who thinks they know?
ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Biden… zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Amelia, right on. I thought the same thing. Obama hasn’t grabbed that low hanging fruit.
Amelia…that’s what I thought too!
Biden “hasn’t forgotten where he came from”? Not even when
mmmmmmmm — Palin = fresh air — glacier fresh!
I was right! This set of questions is just a chance for Obama to jump on Palin’s “experience.”
Pot, meet the kettle!
YES! Biden qualified perhaps but WRONG! Go Maverick!
McCain is killing! Even those “Uncommitted Ohio Voters” tracked by CNN are hating Obama tonight!
Good point about how Biden’s so-called vaunted experience in foreign policy has most often been WRONG. He just brought up Biden’s “cockamamie” idea to send money to Iran. LOL
WOOHOO!
Why do we always need to spend more???
EXACTLY!
Yes!!! I was VERY nervous tonight too. I hope he keeps it UP!
“Ok, enough slamming of Biden. We’re running behind. Time for a subject change.”
BTW, how to you unilaterally renegotiate?
Isn’t negotiation inherently multi-partied??
Our oil imports — annoying as they are — are chiefly from Canada and Mexico
McCain’s there — good!
Sailed subs around the world with nuclear power plants on them safely Heh
OK, I want to smack that condescending, smug grin off Obama’s face. Aarrgghh!
GREAT! wonder if there’s time to have that made into bumper stickers.
Nobody said we could drill our way out of the problem
Um…don’t the oil companies use them if there’s oil on them and if not they don’t? Hello???
What’s he babbling about now? The government’s going to create a new car. Huh?
So, does this mean we can start more drilling? Please?
Hmmm…. Maybe the oil companies aren’t drilling in those acres because they know something about the productivity of drilling there? I’m no petroleum engineer, but there MIGHT be a reason, other than greed, that those acres aren’t being drilled currently…
Hatchet my ass, what we need is a chainsaw.
Stephanie…get in line. :) You aren’t the only one.
Since when is he for free trade?
Did you see McCain’s eye roll when Obie said he believed in free trade? Priceless!
Oil independence — O echoes McCain so far. Drill in your leases? Does he really believe they wouldn’t be doing that if those leases were on any ANY good prospects? He knows more than the geologists who do the exploration now????
We invented the auto industry and now we’re behind.
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Gee, think socialist labor and protectionist tariffs had anything to do with that?
R.L. Hunter – those were my husband’s EXACT words!
We will “look at” … GOOD catch Johnny.
What’s this magical new car? If it doesn’t hover, I’m not interested.
O has never traveled south of the border? really? That’s funny.
LOL I want a hover car too!
*snork*
Obama has been to Europe – that’s more important! Euros > brown Spanish-speakers
Oh do NOT diss Colombia O. Seriously. Don’t go there. I love that country.
How are we going to prevent violence in South American nations?? Isn’t interfering in sovereign nations’ business bad bad bad and IMPERIALISTIC?
We need a president who is going to “enforce” unfair trade agreements.
*snort* oops.
Obama you are the LAST person to stand up to other countries, on trade or anything else! Gimme a frakkin break!
McCain just slapped Obama with a “never traveled” calling back to early attacks on Gov. Palin.
Heh. Maybe O should go there, and MAYBE he’d understand it a little better. LOL
You cannot create 5 Million new jobs when you are taxing those companies to death
He thinks he’s JFK — to the moon!
TEE HEE!!
Bring up Chavez! Whee!
Way to keep hammering on the tax increase and protectionism. Also good shot with connecting Obama’s policies to Hoover. No thanks to Barak-villes, anyone?
McCain has gotten the last word on pretty much every topic so far. w00t
Solar panels will never be cost effective, and wind won’t either. Neither one is “energy dense” enough.
NUKES!
“controlling health care costs” is not such a fabulous idea, akshully
Hey, I thought those EVIL Big Corporations were gonna be TAXED to death. And then they’re supposed to magically create 5 million new jobs?
Hoover and Chavez in practically the same breath. Zaz!!
Trade with Columbia – EXcellent! The Colombians have fought to clean up the drug trade, judges and politicians shot in their homes for fighting to let us know that money spent in Columbia won’t go straight to the cartels.
Obama doesn’t want a free trade agreement because labor unions have an insufficient toe-hold. I CAN’T FUCHING BELIEVE I JUST HEARD THAT. MOTHER (#%@^ (%&^() %!%&” #$_^*_$ %&~@#$ $&@#
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Oh the sob stories. Love it. Sheesh. The government is going to control the cost of health care HOW exactly?!?!
O sounds almost giddy –like he’s been thrown a lifeline with the health care issue.
His minions have monster yard signs that say “for affordable health care” — liar!
Riiiiiiiiiight. He’ll shrink bureaucracy. Sure he will.
“Invest in information technology…” “This will cost some money on the front end…” More spending…
Well, gov’t intervention has been so successful with the housing market. /sarcasm
Also, how does increasing gov’t intervention in health care reduce bureaucracy?
Joe the Plumber is McCain’s friend now. Heh.
The Boss works in Pharma research — McCain’s stance on re-importation is bad enough, but Obama will kill us.
Joe the plumber again! LOL
McCain is having Joe-the-Plumber’s babies, too ;P!
I added Joe, the plumber to my drinking game after the first round of the first question. This *edit* typing thing is more difficult than I remember.
What is the breakoff point between “small” and “large” businesses? Who decides that “large” businesses can afford health insurance? You’d think if they could afford it, they’d provide it…
Define “small”, O
I exempt small businesses… But don’t you draw the SB line at $250k?? Joe the Plumber’s bidness was over that line
Hey…stop talking to Joe…
LOL
Good lord, I just totally blanked out Obama’s droning on and on about health care. Seriously. I could not repeat one word he said. I lost track after he said something about “breaking your heart”…
I popped over and tweeted at Twitter just for something to do.
Wow! What a fifth inning! The Dodgers made 3 errors, and the Phillies are now leading 5-0. They left the bases loaded and missed a chance to blow the game wide open. But it looks good so far.
felcity LOL LOL LOL LOL (on McCain having Joe the P’s bebbehs)
Obama needs to leave Joe alone. He’s our People, not his.
So true!!! Disclaimer: my entire childhood and youth, including college, was financed by the construction of nuclear power plants, thanks to my dad’s job.
It will be the new
Haha! Just said the same thing to The Boss — doublespeak goes in one ear and out the other for me!
RI…I blanked out too.
ooo O is getting pissed. Look out Mc!
Yeah, wasn’t $250k the point between large and small businesses?
Anti-interstate trade? Really, Mr. Free trade? Oh well.
Also, yay on the continuing of the “spread the wealth” hammering.
Senator Government!!!!!
Is this $5k per person, per family, per tax payer? I missed that detail.
YES! TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT! Say it with me!
Thanks John…I want to choose the healthcare for my family too. Keep the damn government out of it!
Dems in charge the last two years!!!
Haha! Hammer the “95%”, John — good!
“Senator Government” — I love it!!!!!
If I took a swig every time Joe the Plumber was mentioned I’d be drunk as a skunk. He’s a celebrity!
And RICH!
McCain is rocking!
You know…someday I’d really LOVE to sell enough jewelry to be considered a “big” business over $250K. But O sure doesn’t give me much incentive to try for it.
Would the unraveling of the employer-based health insurance thing be such a bad thing?
Decision in the hands of the state!!!! Exactly!
Ooooh! Abortion and the Supremes in one swell foop!
Lower costs/increase taxes… you know, whatev…. more importantly: Class Warfare!
FEDERALIST!! YAY!
No litmus test! I’m liking this stuff, Mac!
He said “Federalist” — I’m kvelling!!!!
*snicker*
He better NOT mean best in the world.
Read my lips: no litmus tests.
YES! Consider anyone if they have the qualifications. No litmus test. I totally agree with that.
“We shouldn’t apply a STRICT litmus test” Weasel words, weasel words!!!!
“I’m a federalist.” I hope he means it.
Where was this McCain for the last month?
Finally he hit Obama right on the chin with the judges.Boom way to go Mav!
Go, John, Go — we have a record on our side. Ginsburg = case in point
litmus tests are their thing, not ours
Oh McCain, if it wasn’t for your despicable stance on the first amendment and McShamnesty, I would be voting for you instead of Sarah Palin.
Of course O thinks Roe v Wade was a good decision. He’s a moron.
Good answer on Roe v Wade. He’s a Federalist. Shieffer tried to butt in and nail him down because he wants a certain answer. McCain wouldn’t let him.
URGH! Fairness! NO no nononononononononono!!!!
I want justice, not fairness.
Even if Roe was overturned, it wouldn’t make abortion illegal. Send the matter to the state!
The constitution has a right to privacy? Can someone point that out to me? I must have missed that!
Can we talk about the “Born Alive Act”??? Please, can we, please???
Healthcare talk is pointless. No final plan is going to look like any plan on the table today. We’re going to have to hit Congress on that.
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I hate the way this jackass dumps on business. Let’s have regressive taxes on everything we buy. Business doesn’t -make- money, they -receive- money voluntarily given for goods and services. Taxes and fees come right off the top, with no way to recoup but through prices. Raise everyone’s price equally, and call it ‘fair.’ Bah.
When I go to buy clothes, or food, or gas, or a new car, nobody asks me about my ability to pay. Flawed as it is, the tax code at least does that.
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Some SCOTUS talk. Abortion pops up within three seconds. Clarence Thomas: ‘How did this issue get to be so important that it’s allowed to determine the composition of our government?’
Right to privacy not subject to State referendum. B-HO just invalidated the 10th amendment.
What the hell is he talking about now?
Right to privacy in the constitution applied to abortion rights? Are they illegally searching and seizing women’s wombs or something? Huh?
Does unfairness only matter if it happens to a woman?
Please let McCain mention that he pays his female staff more than Obama pays his. Also McCain pays his female staff on average more than the men, also unlike Obama. *edit* not that the last part is necessarily right, but it’s true and omg what slap.
Obama just said abortion was a MORAL issue. That’s in direct contradiction to the standard feminist thought that is is a CIVIL RIGHTS issue.
“the court has to stand up if no one else will” WRONG ANSWER
YES! Child Born Alive act. BRING IT ON!!!
“Trial lawyer’s dream”
OOOOOOOH — BORN ALIVE!!!!!!
Good point!
OMG he just DENIED voting against the act!!!!!
What is the Ledbtter tangent Obama is meandering down? Gawd, what a snoozer.
Does Obama have NO concept of the rule of law whatsoever??
McCain’s reaction to “it’s not true.” LOL
O will say he would have voted against the state one
LIAR! The language was IDENTICAL!
okay he didn’t deny voting against the act but he tried. What an idiot. OMG. I just want to scream.
The Dodgers started the bottom of the 5th with two singles, but then a double play and a strikeout killed the rally. Phillies 5-0 after five.
Since when is he against late-term abortions? This is news to me…
Sexuality is Sacred. heh
Did he just deny that he voted against the Born Alive Act????
kindergarten sex ed?
EDIT: Don’t you mean “if they choose to ‘be punished with a baby'”?
BULLSH*T … there ARE people FOR abortion. It’s a BUSINESS.
Sadly that was fail on his part. But he’s rockin’ this debate so far.
Some people are so pro-abortion it’s disturbing…
Wow…it’s almost over? This one went by FAST.
Education next.
Now he’s going to yawp about preschool again.
Throwing more money at the situation isn’t ever the answer. *sigh*
Oh he thinks we need both MORE money and reform. ARG!
OMG! Time to slam Obama for funding Ayers’ crazy anti-America left wing socialist schools. Sadly, I already know that this won’t happen.
Also? Actually, we need better spending, vouchers, and a breaking of the monopoly of the teachers’ union.
oooo an Army of new teachers. That sounds menacing.
More money?? More money??? We’re already throwing so much money at public schools.
An army of the RIGHT kind of new teachers, right, Obama-darling?
Oh dear God if people don’t want to go to college then they don’t have to.
$4,000?!?!?! You think THAT is going to help with tuition?!?!? hahahahahahahahahaha
Annenburg refused to partner with organizations that would have improved math and sci ed. — went for indoctrination instead
Annenburg schools showed almost NO academic improvement
Compelled community service = better schools? o_O
“Invest” again… Spend, spend, spend. The whole premise of the frakkin question is we SPEND a lot but our education system is BROKEN!!
Oh please…the civil rights issue of the 21st century? Gag me Johnnie.
Phillies out in order in the top of the sixth; still lead 5-0.
OK, the question about education just acknowledged that we spend the most on education for very poor results. And Obama wants to throw so much more good money after bad. What a consummate idiot.
DING DING DING DING Unfortunately they didn’t hear that question.
Free college will result in ONE thing — shitty schools, diploma mills that churn out worthless pieces of paper and ill equipped ‘graduates’
Merit pay for teachers. I have to go get my liberal teacher wife off the ceiling. I don’t know how he’ll do it, but he’ll figure out how to make it cost us more (I actually have my suspicions).
YES! “Throwing money at the problem is not the answer.” Go, Johnny, go, go, go!
*grin* I do appreciate the updates. =)
FInally Johnnie mentions throwing money isn’t the answer. Took him long enough.
Some of the worst school systems also get the worst teachers because those schools are so draining to teach in the teachers who can bail out and move to better districts.
BUT? Local control is good, BUT…? I don’t like where this is going.
Smack him with Annenburg — O is a total flaming HYPOCRITE on education
I appreciate those updates, too, rickl. I’d much rather be watching baseball. :)
Gold star for you. =)
Oh dear God O is talking about the federal government “stepping up and helping” local school districts. Yeah that works really well.
So let’s put more money into it!
more $$ for NCLB – someone’s ‘voting with Bush’
Like college education cost isn’t on the rise because of the ever increasing rate of gov’t subsidizing, the increase of demand (due to*edit* subsidizing and the fact that a BA degree is like the high school diploma of yester-years), and an inelastic supply. It’s basic economics. spending up+ demand up+ supply is the same= increased prices. More simply: demand up+ supply the same= increased prices. OMFG! It’s like ECON 101!
increasing ECE = mandatory preschool
BAD IDEA
America’s youth” Oh gag me… not everyone can go to college you douche.
Right. Our youth are our future, so they must be properly taught the proper ideas.
Throw more money at the mess!
Somebody’s got to pay for it.
Yeah..how about the people who want to go to college pay for it their own selves or earn the loans/grants or work their butts off like I did!!!
OUCH….”surprised you didn’t pay more attention” I don’t even know what that was in relation to but it pissed off the messiah.
DC schools — did O vote against?
Not everyone SHOULD go to college. College isn’t for everyone. I think we need to work on destigmatizing trades.
That’s right! Head Start’s benefits don’t last.
Head start has failed — because the good it does doesn’t carry forward without home support :(
Trigg Palin has Down Syndrome, not Autism…
I’m at the point where all I hear when Obama talks is: “mwah mwah mwah mwah mwah”.
I’m all for school choice, but vouchers are not the answer. Give everyone $1000 for education, and tomorrow morning the price of every program will have gone up $1200. Better to make tax dollars go with the kid, wherever s/he goes, public or private.
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Exactly Amelia! Ain’t nuthin’ wrong with trade school. Plumbers make bank….oh but O wants to take their money and redistribute. What about electricians.
hahahahaha “who supports vouchers” ROFL Throwing him off his game. Love it.
Oh…did anyone notice that O has on a flag pin?? I thought hew as against those?
DC used to be good — My parents grew up there in the thirties :).
Oh, give me a break! He was using the D.C. school system as an example, not saying that McCain would restrict his focus to D.C. schools. What crap!
Last word – ha HA!
Exactly. Also what has demonstrably worked well is moving the decision makers in education even further from parents and educators (i.e. the people immediately impacted by the decisions.)
Also, nice shot at the end with the not enough so don’t do it bit.
Ha – pre-emptive strike “We can’t do what we’ve been doing the last 8 years”
I’m pretty happy — and I wasn’t even drinking :)!!!!
“Stewards of your tax dollar” — me like!
what the hell……..Sarah Palins child has downs syndrome….not autisim….jesus on a pogo stick!
that’s twice he has refered to that. GRRRRRRRRRRR
Nail on the frackin’ head.
McCain likes the Autism issue — but he buys the line about vaccinations, which has been debunked.
Yeah, I wondered what was up with the hitting on autism.
Ramirez broke up Hamels’ shutout in the bottom of the sixth with a home run, but that came after a good catch by Burrell in left field, so it could have been worse. Phillies 5-1 after six.
that’s the real danger, isn’t it? when I read what he says, I think what a pinhead, but when he speaks, all I hear is a comforting hum.
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back to Bush III. Loser.
Fundamental. Invest. Young people. snzzxxxxx.
This one was way better than the last two!!!
It’s over. Let’s go to the polls, and disagree with the results.
And a pony? I can has pony? Oh, wait — got one already — under the Bush administration, too. Don’t need you!
McCain — KO!
Glad it is over though. I’m ready for bed. =)
I love how Cindy is wearing red and Michelle blue. LOL
Got to feed the menagerie — Haha! Curtis Slewa just pointed out that JTP came up sixteen times: 14 by McCain, 2 by The One. Heeehee.
post-mortem on NBC: McCain played to the base, B-HO played to the middle – lied his ass off in other words.
‘night all.
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Barry doesn’t believe this bullshit, he’s just using it as a springboard to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine.
I was going to liveblog tonight, but I figured I’d have more fun here. And I was right!
Also: first time I was quoted here! Yay!
BTW, Obama lied so shamelessly that MY pants caught on fire.
I can’t believe the talking heads are saying no one won. What debate were they watching?!?!?!
“made it look easy” WHAT?!?!?! I must have been watching a different debate.
There was a leader who talked about doing that once. His name was Hitler. The cars he was talking about: the “people’s car”, better known as the Volkswagen.
EDIT: Damn. Somebody got to it before me. I was so excited that we could talk about an era that I was obsessed with for so long that I blew past all the comments to post my own. Ah, well.
I watched on CSPAN so no talking heads=happy viewing.
WHERE’S MY FREE PONY?!
ok last one – trailer for Oliver Stone’s movie, W. Somehow I think my daughters and I would be the ones in the back of the theater laughing our asses off and shouting, you go George!
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I agree Joe. lol The commercials look pretty funny.
The “focus group” on Fox say Obama won. WTF?!
Although the callers on CSPAN are DTDS.
FNC focus group overwhelmingly says that Barry won, which means we’re all doomed. Obama lied, lied and lied some more, which, of course, means he won.
People that dumb probably don’t remember to drop trou when taking a dump.
I’m not listening to the talking heads. They’re all a bunch of idiots, as far as I am concerned.
Listening to the callers, I wonder who else was drinking through the debate.
But yeah. Socialists are lying liars who lie.
Frank Lunz’s focus group thing is total baloney. Fried baloney. With ketchup. On Wonder Bread.
OK, I’m off to watch Survivor. More action, more ruthless.
Fried baloney… ewwwww…. I’ll gladly donate my share.
Amelia – LOL. I confess I once ate fried baloney. It’s a southern-hick-redneck thing.
TOO TRUE!!! Teh only “undecided” voters at this point are total retards who live on an island with no form of contact with the outside world.
Everyone had their favorite, but lied about it. One guy who had the “boxing” match analogy said “we” sort of fell apart at the end ( referring to McCain) did this undecided voter somehow become so enamored with McCain’s shitty performance that he’s now part of Mac’s royal “WE”??? C’Mon GRAVY!
The four LIARS at the end who said they switched to Obama were the four most vocal to spit out Obama pre-debate talking points. They didn’t switch! They are LIARS!!!!
Guys, Sarah has 3 nephews with Autism
Am I in Bizzaro World or something? Did these people watch the same debate I did? Why is everybody fawning over the fake Obama? I wouldn’t say McCain knocked it out of the park, but he did very well, and Obama was just OK, and on the defensive.
Oh boy, that bottom of the 7th was a thriller. Two great catches by Victorino in center, then two walks, then a called strikeout! Phillies 5-1 and six outs away from the World Series!
Oh and by the way, to review, McCain won the election tonight.
He’ll win the electoral vote,Obama will win the popular vote due to all the fraud and heavily weighted populations in the blue states.
But yeah, McCain said enough of what people wanted to hear to give him 4 years instead of Obama. People know they can have Obama in the future, this is Mac’s last chance, and at one point or another over the past 25 years, everyone at one time or another has wished a guy like McCain would be President. They’ll give him one shot, or it’s Liberal Socialists for the next 20 years if he shits the bed.
Gotta go finish up a little work (won’t be saying that anymore if the big O wins–cuz, like, why bother?). It was fun watching the debate with y’all!
OK, the debate’s over, but the game is still going on, so I may as well continue with my updates. Phillies are out in the top of the 8th and still lead 5-1.
Wow — didn’t know that! Knew McCain even before he picked Palin, but hadn’t heard about her nephews. Thanks!
Usually, boring old stodge that I am, I just listen on streaming radio and follow the liveblogging at The Corner, but THIS WAS FUN!
Thanks for putting up with me, y’all — especially Rachel! — off to The Corner now, to see what the ‘big hats’ are saying :).
Edit: Ha! Knew I came to the right place tonight — don’t know about earlier, but right now, The Corner is down! Interesting — wonder if the increased traffic was caused by response to McCain’s performance. But how can that be, since all the focus groups agree he lost????
Dodgers out in the bottom of the 8th. The Phillies are three outs away from the World Series!
Side note — Homeschool Girl just learned to use the quadratic formula. So now she can vote, right :)?
Phillies out in the top of the 9th. Three outs away!
Poor Joe the Plumber. I live a few miles away from him (don’t know him) and he’s being besieged by the media. The local news just had an interview with him. He’s not getting any sleep tonight. Hopefully the attention will get him some business.
They did it! Thanks in part to a sensational catch by Shane Victorino at the wall in dead center field, the Phillies have won the National League championship and are going to the World Series for the first time since 1993!
/There was a debate tonight?
Ah. I had not heard that.
I turn up my little freckled nose at all baloney, fried or otherwise. :P
I saw fried truffles at the State Fair the other day. I wanted to try them, but I never got around to it.
A little off topic here…
Anyone else hear about the folks who erroneously had Obama campaign contributions on their credit card statements?
I saw one video of a husband and wife talking about their credit card being billed $2,300.00. The wife said they had never voted anything but Republican, but didn’t want it to sound as though they were against Obama or anything.
Wah the???
Republicans are too polite. Or is there an underlying fear that when “The One” gets into office that those of us who oppose him will be hunted down and quietly eliminated?
I have read that if Obama loses there is a distinct possibility of rioting. Nice. Can we all riot if McCain loses?
Frick.
About the autism issue:
What I heard McCain say was that his running mate really understands those with special needs. (This was in answer to the ridiculous question about whether their VPs would make a good President–that’s when I started screaming at my t.v. about the bias.)
Anyway, he was explaining her record and strengths and again, said that she really understands families who have family members with special needs. He then said as an example, autism is on the rise and we must find out what’s causing it.
Sarah Palin’s baby may have Downs Syndrome but he was focusing on the fact that she understands all those families who have special needs, not just family members with Downs Syndrome.
And I’m sure there was some way to put this comment much more succinctly but I’m far too tired to figure that out right now.
“Old washed up terrorist”
Was this line intended to push Ayers’s ego over the edge to lash out publicly?
You know Ayers has to be seething and Obama backed the bus over him again with the “he won’t play any part in my administration” retort.
Hey! Fried Boloney is great! You can make a hot sandwich with it and some nice American cheese to get all melty, or you can use it instead of sausage to go with eggs for breakfast. Mmm…
In a rational world, Obama’s shameless lying about his abortion record/votes would be all over the news and cost him the election.
I admit I’m worried about this. I don’t know that I think there will be actual riots, but I do think there will be some degree of destructive behavior going on – regardless of who wins. I’m worried that some loons will go out and destroy things out of exuberance if they win, and out of rage if they lose.
My husband disagrees. He thinks I’m jumping at shadows. Maybe I am. I go back an forth between thinking everything will be fine and thinking that some ugliness is inevitable.
“I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal.”
Reminds me of a conversation I had with my cousin at a buffet. Halfway through the meal, plate three or four, my cousin tells me he met up with an old friend who, you wouldn’t believe, said that he was fat. Him. Fat. Crazy. Can’t believe he said that. Crazy, huh? He asked as I watched the fat around his neck and chin settle.
When the silence finally got uncomfortable, it dawned on me – “dude, you don’t know you’re fat?”.
I happen to catch a show on the History Channel about body language last night, or the night before (hell who can keep up?), and they were showing the debate between Kennedy and Nixon. They stated that people that had watched the debate thought Kennedy won by a landslide and those that had heard the debate on the radio thought Nixon won by a landslide.
With that being said, the camera is not McCain’s friend. A tanking economy is not McCain’s friend. The main stream media sure as hell is not McCain’s friend. It’s going to take an absolute miracle to pull McCain’s chestnuts out of the fire in order to win against Obama.
So then what to do? You can wring your hands and worry about what’s going to happen or you can spend the next few weeks preparing. That means, to me, pushing my budget toward more guns and ammo. If the Democrats get the executive and legislative branches of government you can bet your sweet patootie that the “assault rifle” ban is going to come back into full effect, it not more so.
Ammo and tacos…mmm, I’m gonna have sweet dreams tonight!
Amelia, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. At the very least, the election results would probably be put down to non-black Americans being so RAAACIIST!!!!
People here in the EUSSR (well, those people who like to be politically correct rather than those who don’t care whether or not they’re accepted by polite society) generally assume that I must be a racist whacko, just because politically, I’m right-leaning. Never mind that I have close friends who are black, and an ex-wife who is half Pakistani – it’s taken for granted that I must be either retarded, or someone who likes to leave burning crosses on peoples’ lawns every weekend. Oh – and I probably like to wear a white hood too, and call myself a Grand Drogonic Archwizard. Or something.
I think that riots by some people are likely too, in the event of Obama losing the election. I really hope that we’re both wrong and that your husband is right, but I don’t hold out much hope (can I still say that word without saying “change!!!”, as well?).
How many times was the chance given to Obama to repudiate things said and done (like the “Sarah Palin is a c*nt” t-shirt on Obama’s website)? It really tweaks my cookies that he wouldn’t even after McCain was gracious and the moderator nudged twice.
Let’s be clear: the undecided voters in Luntz’s group are undecided DEMOCRATS. Not surprisingly, they swung toward the donkey candidate.
Remember the group of undecideds from Arlington, VA? I live in Virginia and I can tell you that undecideds in Arlington simply haven’t decided if they’re voting for Obama or Hugo Chavez.
I think I’m commenter 331. Good Lord, people.
Poor Obama. Too bad he can’t remove all the library books from the shelves, too, except of course for Das Capital.
Liberals DO LOVE free thinking and free speech so! Diversity of opinion! Oh yes. If only it wasn’t for that mean ole disagreeable Fox News.
Somehow I usually manage to get the last word in. Maybe I’m just slow.
I see McCain’s unfair disadvantage as he’s far too decent a man. Not to be President, but to be elected.
Stephen Spruiell at finds a telling commentary far too long to paste in here.
In a dozen words or so, it’s a definition of exactly what taxes are and who pays them and how Obama is clueless.
[rant] Obama doesn’t admit to understand that when Exxon-Mobil writes checks to the government to pay taxes (at $millions/second) that means people, someplace, are actually paying those taxes, their shareholders either/or their employees either/or their customers. Corporations cannot pay taxes because they do not actually own any money. Think about this every time you hear about “wealthy corporations should pay more taxes.” Who pays Big Oil’s taxes, and pays more taxes if Big Oil pays more taxes? You do. [/rant]
I would argue the point that Obama is clueless about taxes. I think he knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s a socialist. Redistribution of wealth and class warfare are his best tools, because he only has to convince 51% of the people to vote themselves money from the other 49% to keep him in office. And it just might work.
BTW, if the Fairness Doctrine gets reinstituted and blogs get rolled into it, I plan to ignore the law completely. I might need some financial help at that point for legal bills. Barring that, everyone in the country should simply disobey such an unconstitutional law. We need to remind DC that they are not our leaders, but rather our servants.
I had dreams about the damn stock market last night. God make the pain stop!
I hope I’m not paranoid, but I actually think we will see riots. Because if people can riot on behalf of a scumbag asshole like Rodney King, they’ll be more inclined to riot for “clean and articulate” Obama. Not to mention the of the Democrat Party. We saw lots of them at the Gathering of Eagles in DC and they are camo-clad, wanna-be revolutionaries. They just need an appropriate cause to light their fuse and they WILL get violent. They’ll think dissing Obama is a universally accepted – even lauded – reason to start tossing Molotov cocktails.
You know, I hate even saying that because it places Liberal American citizens in the same class as the Religion of Perpetual Outrage. But that won’t be the first time I’ve noted disturbing similarities between Liberal extremists and Muslim extremists.
Just stopped by to share a debate story. A friend of mine (who happens to be black but does not share the opinions of the voters Howard Stern interviewed) came over to watch the debate with me. I was planning on cooking for us.
Me: So what do you want to eat?
Her: mmm… how bout some Hope with a small side of Change.
Me: Right, sorry not sure how to make that.
Her: Neither does Obama but he still puts it on the menu.
Me: Well either way, all his recipes call for Wealth Spread and I am fresh out of that. So how bout chicken?
Her: Why because I’m black? You think you can distract me with chicken?
Me: I was hoping so.
Her: Throw in some greens and you got yourself a deal.
For those who think riots will happen if Obama loses – I don’t think they will happen in a way that will be directly attributable to the election. What I think will happen is that the “race-sensitive” people will become ANGRY, ANGRY, ANGRY, but will not do much immediately. However, as soon as there is an incident where a black person gets badly hurt or killed in such a way that Racism can be blamed, THEN there will be rioting. And the rioting will be blamed on McCain, and there will be calls to impeach him, because he “stole the election”.
Of course, there will be accusations of Republican election fraud anyway, but we’ve all talked about projection before…
So. How bad do you think it will get before people realize what a mistake this is?
“Oh dear God O is talking about the federal government “stepping up and helping” local school districts. Yeah that works really well”
and the constitution authorizes this,WHERE?
Never having heard of fried baloney means never having had breakfast in USMC messhalls. I got into a very brief discussion about fried baloney with a young woman who was reloading my cart @ CostCo checkout — I’d bought baloney — and she suggested fried baloney and cheese sandwiches. Which turned out kind of okay, but messy. To me, cheese on sandwiches means Velveeta [cheez?] which doesn’t stick to fried baloney and everything squishes out in all directions when you try to actually eat it.
Sigh. For some reason, more of my comments are sitting in the moderation queue. All that I can figure is that I’ve somehow pissed off our blogmistress. Either that, or the commenting software blows great big gobs of greasy grimy gopher guts.
And now for some humor:
Yeah, they aren’t great, but I’m trying to keep my spirits up.
[PhysicsGeek! Hell no you haven’t pissed me off, ya ‘tard! I don’t know what’s going on, it’s snagging lots of regulars lately – might be that my updated WordPress has “forgotten” some of you? I think after clearing a few more, it should stop doing it. – Rachel]
One more quote, and it’s from Jonah Goldberg:
That question is not asked at all these days. At all. Too many lemmings in this country seem to have the attitude of “Well, it’s the government, so it must be okay.” Well, dammit, it’s NOT okay most of the time.
My nephew is currently on a full scholarship to a college which i won’t name here. I mentioned to him the old federal 55 mph speed limit. He looked very confused and asked me, “Uncle Physics Geek, where the federal government get the authority to do such a thing?”
Yeah, he’s a smart and informed guy. I hope that he has 50 children.
Oh Tami, Thanks for the laugh! Sounds like a good friend to have in these troubled times.
I’m with you Rachl Lukis…I watched it on Fox and the parts I could hear (when I wasn’t yelling at the TV screen and I took time to actually listen) showed that McCain grew some balls. I was pleased. He’s a ballsy wonder these days. If there is anything I admire, it is a man with balls.
Then I watched the Fox (Ooooh FOX! Anti-Obama!) commentators rip McCain up and talk about tennis matches, and how McCain ran around like a player on acid and Obama cooly lobbed the balls back at him. I don’t get it. I think they were watching a different debate than I did. And they’re supposed to be in the tank for McCain? God help us if that’s evidence of “support” for McCain.
Agreed on the Luntz interviewees. Honestly? Can you trust a guy named Luntz? I mean, really. It’s like an insult. You’re a Luntz! Stop being such a Luntz! Hey, quit it – or I’m gonna Luntz you one in the kisser!
Whadevah.
Doom. Ammo. Tacos. DONUTS. Mmmmmmmm…
WE don’t have to be defensless or wait another four years.
If you own a business cut your payroll to adjust for any tax increase. Attrition, layoff or wage decreases. Doesn’t matter it’s good business and fulfills a patriotic duty.
Run the unemploment rate up to Jimmy Carter levels and Obama is done.
Revolutionary,for sure. Put me on trial or just shoot me Obama. You,re call.
I’m an old man so I’m pretty sure I will be euthanised under your heath plan before long anyway.
LOL. I love the fried baloney debate going on in this thread. Seriously, I just adore all of you commenters here.
My baloney story: As soon as my mother stepped foot out of the house, we were in the kitchen baking or cooking something. One day, we decided to experiment with baloney and American cheese. My sister got the idea that frying it would be really good, but maybe broiling it would be better. Because food is heated from the top in a broiler we came to discover that the edges of the baloney would draw upward while the cheese settled into a lovely greasy pool at the bottom. Thus, the “baloney bowl” was created. Every year one of us threatens to make it as the main course at some holiday meal and our mom is totally clueless as to what we are talking about.
Watch out Joe Biden.
When Obama’s alter ego, Joseph Stalin came to power Lenin and Trotsky achieved room temerature in short order. I’m sure you remember that, It was about the time you entered the Senate.
You could very well be right, and I’m more paranoid than usual as socialism looms. However, I can’t help but remember that . Not to mention his grotesque alliance with his cousin Raila Odinga, the Muslim-backed genocidal maniac. . Yeah, this isn’t Kenya, but c’mon, too many Obama supporters are rage-filled, slavering minions. I don’t think imagining them in the same class as Odinga is much of a stretch. Obama comes from a really unsavory background, he’s not above thuggery, nor are his endorsers and supporters. So, the more I think about (because I’ve tried not to) the more I think that based upon his circle of influence (and I didn’t even get to bomber Ayers) I tend to think riots are more than likely, but probable.
Wayne, I left a comment for you at 9:46 but it’s trapped in moderation. I hope you come back to read it later when it’s been posted – it’s about possible riots. It’s got two links in that will scare the crap out of any decent American. So stay tuned for when Rachel rescues it.Whoops – nevermind! Rachel is here and the comment is posted above.
One more link about Obama’s sphere of influence: .
Riots? Child’s play to these guys.
Redhead Infidel,
Yes, the Odinga massacres crossed my mind, too, as I was following the riot discussion here, but those slaughters were mostly perpetrated by Muslims against Christians — small comfort, I know!
Edit: or perhaps none, now that I see your latest post! From your link:
Holy crap! See, I’m old enough to remember — we were living in NoVA, but a couple of aunts and uncles were living in D.C. at the time (my mother’s brother and sister-in-law lived on Capitol Hill!) — not something we need to repeat!
Honestly? I didn’t watch this time. I just couldn’t stand the thought that no matter how great McCain may have done in the debate, mainstream media would find a way to spin it otherwise, e.g. if McCain announced he’d found a cure for cancer, tomorrow’s NYT headline would read, “Thousands of Health Care Workers to Lose Jobs Under McCain’s Plan.”
An interesting related .
Recently the government bought preferred share positions in 10 major banks
If the government had done this 60 years ago with our social security contributions with the proceeds used only to provide SS benefits we would be a much stronger society today and possibly there would be a surplus sufficient to provide basic health care for those wanting it. That would be Better than either.candidates health plan.
The only reason serious illness is not a death sentence for Canadians is their Proximity to US private health care.
Fried Baloney, Eggs and Gravy. Tom T. Hall ca.1970
Redhead – Since I don’t keep up on my History well, I wasn’t aware of the Odinga riots, thanks.
Now, the worst scenario I can see is if Obama wins the Blue states big enough that he wins the popular vote, but loses the Electoral Vote, like Al Gore did. It’s hard to imagine the Left becoming MORE incoherently insane, but it will happen. I still don’t think immediate rioting will happen much, because they DO still remember who has the guns.
My (forlorn) hope is that McCain wins by a wide enough margin that accusations of fixing the election will sound foolish even to moderates.
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Wow, RI, I think it might be ‘Redhead’ that gets the mod filter to catch your comments. I responded to you with only that and without the ‘I’ word, and it caught my comment.
Then again, it let this one through, so go figure. I didn’t have any links in the other one, though.
I spent 6 years in the USMC in the 1980’s and I don’t remember eating a lot of fried bologna. That might have been a choice I made though, I honestly don’t remember.
I do remember the first time I was served it though. We were at ITS at Pendelton, I’m pretty sure we were at the rifle range. The DI saw what I was eating and got pissed because there wasn’t any meat on my tray, and had me go get some of what…yeah, I’m pretty sure it was fried bologna.
I’m talking about breakfast.
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I belive that if riots occur it will be 10 days into an Obama administration when his followers get impatient because they havn’t received thier income redistribution check.
From the . Captions under photos of the candidates:
Obama: “Sen. Barack Obama maintained a calm and at times bemused demeanor in response to his counterpart’s attacks.”
McCain: “Sen. John McCain, by turns warm, abrupt and angry, pressed his rival on policy issues, campaign tone, and personal associations.”
Obama has the 100% belief in the rightousness of marxism. As a religious belief, it can NOT be disproven by facts. As those of his belief are Good, those that disbelive must be evil (that would be anyone not voting for him.) You can not fight pure faith.
360 plus comments? Egads, this is why I don’t look at LGF much anymore. Back to the topic, do you think there is some kind of lemming gene where certain types of people have a genetic proclivity driving them to follow the pack? I’ve noticed that on the freeway, groups of cars will travel together clogging throughput so you have to jockey around them. Or, Dodger fans. Or, what about a mall just after it has opened. Not counting employees, people will park together as if they’re huddling for safety.
And Talgus,yeah. Need to read Ann Coulter’s, Godless, The Church of Liberalism. Good stuff.
Why wouldn’t there be riots? There will be riots. There might even be some car fires across the river here in the quiet heartland. Just so they burn down their own neighborhoods and businesses, I’m okay with it. BO will take whatever’s left of our tax dollars from the investment bank bailout and give it to the unwashed and unemployed masses to fulfill his marxist dream of bringing the States to its knees. In the meantime, I’ll cling to my guns and go find a Bible just to fulfill his stereotypical stereotyping.
For the same reason there weren’t any riots after Bush was reelected, even though the left spent four straight years smearing him on every single issue. Liberals talk a good game but when it comes time to put their money where their mouths are, the vast majority of them just don’t have the guts.
There may be a few relatively small acts of vandalism or violence after the election, but a full-scale riot? I doubt it.
Besides, who’s the party with the guns and range-experience?
You have to admit this is pretty funny:
I bet Sarah herself would have a giggle.
Amanda, the pit bull with the lipstick in the desk made me laugh out loud.
DaveW vaguely thinks he vaguely remembers fried baloney. He shows his age, or mine. I was USMC in the ’70s. He probably doesn’t remember fried baloney is always cut in a Pac-Man shape.
My Awesome Mix Tape #6 notes baloney cups up in the broiler. If you fry it, it cups down. You need to notch the edge, or cut the slices in half.
I say it’s time for a baloney thread. Or is everything in all these threads baloney?
“http://palinaspresident.us/”
Snork. My favorite is the dinosaur outside the window.
That IS funny. : )
/Uh oh
“Besides, who’s the party with the guns and range-experience?”
and the multiple combat tours